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out of curiousity, How many of you guys make a good living with music alone?
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 17:26
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shamantrix - how the hell did you got from someone who work as dj in parties to 'someone who step on human rights' ???
i think you are in the wrong forum man , try the G8 or G9 forum whatever its now lol... what makes you think you are diffrent then any of us ??
just your talks not your action , you go to work like all and you get paid and use the earth resource like all of us
no body here in this forum have gold mine with african slaves
it sounds more like you have all this excuse untill someone will offer you money for your music then what you do lets see.. and when gigs end up taking about 30% of your time then how do you do it without 'ruin peaple lives' by charge some hundred euros for this  www.sattelbattle.com
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 20:44
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oh now don't start crying... please 
I was just quoting what bukboy previously said. I didn't make that up... those ware his words.
And please... feel free to think of me whatever you want if that will make you feel any better (which I doubt it will but... you just go for it).
I don't feel different from you... why should I? I simply think that an intelligent man should not be in the majority since there is already enough people there by the definition. So not different... the same but making different choices. And that is self evident... you'll agree on that!
On the subject of gold mines with slaves... don't push it. There are examples of stepping on human rights on this forum... don't make me prove you wrong. Paying taxes that are further used to carry out military invasions fit quite well under the subject of stepping on human rights... It's the beauty of democracy... It's your choice and your money... right?
And for the latter part... I've already told you that I don't make money on music... I don't feel that it is right to make money selling love. If you have a girlfriend that you love... would you make money by selling her? Would that be love? I love music... how could I sell what I love? But that's something you obviously know nothing about.
@ bukboy: that's right... whatever 
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 22:34
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mk47
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I don't make money on music... I don't feel that it is right to make money selling love. If you have a girlfriend that you love... would you make money by selling her? Would that be love? I love music... how could I sell what I love? But that's something you obviously know nothing about.
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so anyone who ever released a track is a sell out and not true to his passion for music creation .. the kind of guy who`d sell his wife for money ? pfff .
... its fun reading ur posts shamantrixx , u have some good points to make a lot of the time .. but this is just stupidity .. why argue just for the sake of it ?
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Apr 12, 2008 15:38
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of course, it's not just black and white and of course that it doesn't mean that you would sell your wife. It just means that this way I enjoy music much more and I want to keep it that way.
I used to love graphics and design also but working for money made that job just a job... no more joy in it for me. We're not all the same. Maybe some of you can handle that and keep the good vibe while working for money. I can't and so I've arranged my life accordingly. Since Elad asked a question (in a way) I simply responded.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 12, 2008 16:18
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well 2 parts since you have 2 diffrent messeges
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for the first one i think that got nothing to do with sell your girlfriend - on the other hand , its like take your girlfriend to see the big world
the tracks sounds just the same after i get or not get money for it... so how is that got to do with your job that peaple ask you to do "this and that"
you talk like i make some clone music but you dont show me one artist make something like this at all
about taxes , some might say the fact that dj not always pay taxes prevent food from the poor peaple that get money from the goverment , so just leave it and let reality be... goverments will not fall or rise from this forum this what i say
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for the second post i agree , i did find how to get paid and keep enjoy it , if you want long story short then i realesed my music on the internet for free and copied cds to favorite artists untill one day a labels asked if i want to realese with them (it was for free) and i said yes sure i love it why not and in artists list like that im honored... then more labels contacted as well me contacted them and some started to pay little then more and now i still give a free track here and there for friends but most selling pritty easy.. and like mention allready i did not started make fullon or specific genre in order to make money.. always its about psychadelic sounds that makes me feel good and fun and nothing more.. if others like it also then welcome why not 
so its only making me feel waste my time to do "this and that" for other peaple.. altho i still do it sometimes cause evryone NEED money even just for food and rent its allready thousand euro a month
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pavaka
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Posted : Apr 12, 2008 20:51
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On 2008-03-20 20:24:20, psyaudionamics wrote:
out of curiousity, How many of you guys make a good living with music alone? I usually make all my income with my graphic design, with some lil spare cash in studio, would i have to become a dj if i wanna head into a direction where im just making money off music, will that alone be good also i would think that the location where i live will also entitle how much money i make, any good suggestions of good countries to live where getting gigs would be easier, and more chances of this dream to be fulfill or will i be stuck in the boondocks of isolation here in homestead florida 
ive thought of moving to new zealand even though id be far from my loved ones hard decisions....
any feedback or anyone in the same shoes feel free to express ya selves, boom
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so sweet when u started off the topic
now its basically goin nowhere,
sorry bro,
love,girlfriend,sell,art..
what HAVE U DONE??
LOL!
Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle = so true.
where u goin with this topic anyways shamantrixx?
if u stll upto lookin for good countries to live and getting gigs more easier..
try Tristan da Cunha..
keep in touch
peace
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Apr 13, 2008 01:21
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On 2008-04-12 16:18, Elad wrote:
about taxes , some might say the fact that dj not always pay taxes prevent food from the poor peaple that get money from the goverment , so just leave it and let reality be... goverments will not fall or rise from this forum this what i say
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This is the only part where I strongly disagree with you. If you want to see the change in the world you have to be that change in the world.
And yes... simply by expressing my point of view in this forum this IS that change in the world as a product of me making a change in my own life. If the past is telling us anything than it is surely that informations always cause change. World had many changes so far even thou today informations are more available than ever before... that means that we're heading toward huge changes in the world and they're going to happen quite soon.
Somebody asked where am I going with this... the answer is nowhere. I'm offering my point of view and I don't insist that it is by definition good for everybody else... But it works for me and you could at least learn to except that other people WILL have different views and methods. Let them have it... Don't view them as a threat to your own viewpoint and methods and allow others to evolve in the way they want. Allow them to share their views without instantly attacking them just because they differ from your own views.
About selling music... there is a profound difference between making music for money or making music for music and being offered to earn some money along the way. Like I've said... it's not black and white. Far from it...
But each of us knows where we belong. I can lie to you and maybe even get away with it... but I can not lie to my self... specially not in the long run. So on the end of the day... we judge only our selves, sooner or later.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Apr 14, 2008 19:18
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i agree as im a graphic designer it stops being art when you have the client or group of individuals telling you what and how u should do ur job and that really killed the artistic side in graphic design, so in a way its not really art anymore its a fukn job in which just like any other u have to put up with shit fucken crap bla bla
and yes i live in america but they are at least the govt a bunch of fucken imperialist who want total domination and resources of other nations for they're benifits but that an other topuc which id love to discuss,,,
the american govt has been hi-jacked believe that! |
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 14, 2008 20:39
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hijacked by the people who make money as opposed to those who don't. Now thats a conspiracy. |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Apr 15, 2008 01:08
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On 2008-04-14 20:39, bukboy wrote:
hijacked by the people who make money as opposed to those who don't. Now thats a conspiracy.
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No... that's just common greed and parasitism. If you have problems with other peoples opinions I suggest that you pay a visit to psychiatrist. The more you write on this subject the more I feel that you really have some serious issues with your psyche and value system.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Apr 15, 2008 01:13
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On 2008-04-14 19:18, psyaudionamics wrote:
i agree as im a graphic designer it stops being art when you have the client or group of individuals telling you what and how u should do ur job and that really killed the artistic side in graphic design, so in a way its not really art anymore its a fukn job in which just like any other u have to put up with shit fucken crap bla bla |
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Of course... it's just a matter of being aware of the situation. It's easier to engage in denial and wishful thinking.
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On 2008-04-14 19:18, psyaudionamics wrote:
and yes i live in america but they are at least the govt a bunch of fucken imperialist who want total domination and resources of other nations for they're benifits but that an other topuc which id love to discuss,,,
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Don't worry... most of countries in the world are run in exactly the same manner. Your country is not an exception, but things do change.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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aXis
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Posted : Apr 15, 2008 06:41
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fucking shit ! wtf is goin on here ! |
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the daleks
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On 2008-04-14 20:39, bukboy wrote:
hijacked by the people who make money as opposed to those who don't. Now thats a conspiracy.
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bukboy, man...you really didnt do yourself any good by that comment. imo you were ahead of the game but you just wrecked it all....
So are you a Bush-Cheney fanboy?? you think that they are spreading love in the world and Iraq and making a good profit and boosting the economy so great now that everyones got a big home and loosing it? fuck man, really... maybe you should spend some time in the US, like downtown Chicago, Altanta, Milwaukee or Detroit, and flash your big bucks and neo-con attitides, and see how well it goes over then...
that aside, my 2 cents on this entire thread... maybe you can compare making music to being a politician, polar opposites in function, but lets postulate: ideals aside, an economically independent person can enter an arena without being dependent on market forces, where a person that is not economically independent will be dependent on market forces. with either role, musician or politician, its a tough gig, and tough to stick to your ideals, but the ones that do are revered as the true heroes, and revolutionaries, be it whichever frontier
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 15, 2008 08:27
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I was tongue in cheek
However, as much I dont agree with Bush and Cheney personally, they have the world by the balls. Impressive. Theyre doing something right, even if it is only for the benefit of the rich minority.
I personally know a few of those people who reckon 'best vice president ever, four more years" I understand how they think, they think "we are the cream, every1 else depends on our production of wealth, this government has its policies straight by helping to the wealth creators with tax cuts, subsidies , deregulation and access to the cheapest most overpopulated labour pools on earth" And you know, if you tried to show them they were wrong you would face some pretty stiff logical arguments Y you were misguided or naive.
These are not stupid people, they are the hard working, no nonsense, non flakey, to the grindstone, last line of defence type.
They reckon overpopulation is the stupid peasants fault and they (peasants) should pay for it with having to share lower wages.
These people are really like this. Im not lying to you
Anyway it is an illusion to think you are outside market forces. I was thinking the other day that its unfair that the peasants have to deal with the worst side of overpopulation i.e. stiffer competition for lower wages, whereas the capitalists get higher profits and lower expenses. What adds salt to the wound is that outsourcing attacks the peasants of a developed country and destroys their wage share, artificially simulating overpopulation by accessing the poorest markets for labour anywhere world wide. Thats neoliberalism. However, lets face it, what are the peasants gonna do, revolt against the tougher competition? They dont have any brains to understand how they are getting fucked, which is Y they get fucked.
Cheating is an evolutionary success trait, so is laying a trap on unsuspecting victims like an antlion for an ant, or more recently, like a junkbond salesman laying a trap for an investor looking for a decent retirement investment. Or the government tapping of taxpayer funds into their own private companies. Seeing through bullshit is also a success trait.
dont blame cheney and bush for propelling themselves to the top on the shoulders of the other smart people(and the dumb people who allow them through stupidity and ignorance to steal pieces of their meagre pies)
Im not advocating exploitation. Im advocating awareness that practically illiterate people are a self replicating renewable resource that can be exploited easily. They dont have mythical rights afforded to them by their humanity. Rise above it if you are under this illusion.
And mostly Im advocating people stand up for their place in society and compete no holds barred, because we are bacteria on a rock which is going nowhere in particularly - very slowly.Dont be too worried to tread on other peoples toes. |
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