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pilgrim
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Posted : Jul 8, 2008 20:48
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hey puke-boy,
your approach to push forward your behaviouristic/darwinistic/mechanical/biological theory of human beings in a forum related to trance & psychadelics reminds me of don quichote fighting against windmills
it starts to entertain me a little
keep in mind - there are more (limiting) theories of ourselves (sociological, pschodynamical, etc.) and if yours works for you - fine - maybe learning to tolerate different views would even work better - try it!
even fundamental behaviourist therapist nowadays include different views in their methods cause they have seen the concentration on one theory was to limiting and didnt helped all patients...
there's lots of literature/arguments pro and against all this stuff and my experience... every theory is limited in some respect, its a complex world out there, for physicans, psychologists, medical stuff and so on
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 8, 2008 23:55
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sly
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 02:41
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On 2008-07-07 17:03, Colin OOOD wrote:
Personally I think it's important not to get caught up in belief systems of any kind; psychedelic, religious, spiritual, material/economic, moral, political... they are all inventions and brainwashing, and none of them are 'real'. As Robert Anton Wilson said:
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I think you have a lot of BS to get out of your system.
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OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 02:43
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"Artificial," comes from:
artifice AR-tuh-fis, noun:
1. Cleverness or skill; ingenuity; inventiveness.
2. An ingenious or artful device or expedient.
3. An artful trick or stratagem.
4. Trickery; craftiness; insincere or deceptive behavior.
NOT from the word "artifact."
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 03:23
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On 2008-07-08 11:37, bukboy wrote:
colin - Proof? not all opinions are equal, some are actually thought out, informed and self consistent, unlike others which are based on pure wishful thinking.
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But your opinions are not entirely "thought out, informed and self consistent". You are just at the other extreme from the "Hippy ideals" you talk about.
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Consider that I have broken out of the ageold tradition of our cultures brainwashing. Wouldnt that be entirely consistent with everything Ive said, and explain your position simply and flawlessly?
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I don't see it that way. There is no need to explain that position. You make a claim, it is up to you to prove it.
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love? is a sensation we feel that makes us irrational and very likely to reproduce. i.e. highly useful property. Consider that if we had a superior way of reproducing without love, then we would have never bothered with evolving it. Its only human beings that have a need to define it as special when all it does is makes us reproduce and feel really horny, and mushy too. My gf understands very well that her emotions although very palpable are just chemical reactions, and she has been an atheist for far longer than I.
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You made an attempt to describe horniness, not love. (A lot easier).
Anyway, do I understand the following two sentences correctly: "I have broken out of the ageold tradition of our cultures brainwashing." and "she has been an atheist for far longer than I."? Are you pointing out that you were brought up in a religious family but, at some point, made up your own mind about the world?
Although I do find that commendable I must ask, are you like the ex-smoker that hates smokers more than anyone that has never smoked?
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bukboy
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 11:35
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bukboy
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 11:56
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undertow, I was raised in a catholic family, then I became interested in witchcraft and spirituality, then I became a christian, then I became a subjectivist, then I became a moral realist, then I became an agnostic, and finally now I am an atheist.
The thing that was holding me back when I was an agnostic was that I always thought there has to be some reason for there being "good" things to do in the world, like get up in the morning, learn and become more intelligent, create etc, so I held on to some belief about morals being above physical and kept a place open for the unknown, but richard dawkins showed that morals can come about through simple ordinary everyday evolutionary game theory. (evolutionary stable strategy)
By no means does this prove that the supernatural doesnt exist, but it provides a plausible rational alternative as to why we have good and bad etc.
And considering that the supernatural is constructed in such a way as to make it completely untesteable and unfalsifiable, so much so that it has no predictive benefit, I have the choice between a fantastically accurate scientific view of the world, and a supernatural host of dogmas created by people without a scientific background. (i.e. STUPID LAZY FUCKS)
At which point I really saw the world. I am an atheist now and I have no doubt about its truth, and that every religion and call to mysticism is a flat out lie.
I have been bombarded by religion salesmen and spirituality SALESMEN all my life in our fucked up culture. I have wasted so much of my life believing this CHRISTSHIT that now i feel so free. I feel so FREE. I can see.
I have been freed from this mental prison we call the supernatural.
U see, for me to tolerate the comments from other spiritualists amounts to moral sanction for lies and extortion. |
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the daleks
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 13:44
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so, does everyone have to be like you to be tolerated by you?
and because you think you can see, that makes you any degree of special? to me thats more of a relevational statement than anything anyone else has said one here (if i have to spell it out for your, relevational=spiritual/religious trancendence)
it sounds like you are just preaching another form of spirituality or dogma. and with the assumption that if you are not part of my group, you are an infidel
also, i tend to distrust people that use the phrase 'you see?' as this is a common call/response tactic used by evangelical ministers to draw the subconscious 'yes' from their listeners
i think the more you speak the more you seem like it is what you suppose to hate
the message i have said time and time again, and I think everyone else has said on here is 'TOLERANCE!'
just give it a rest, you are searching too hard to become something, and now that you think you've found it you want to convince everyone else they must join you. if and when your girlfriend conceive a child, i think your view may change a little, and soften that hardened heart of yours. too much coffee is a bad thing, just as too much alchohol is
peace
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bukboy
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 15:32
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no I want assholes to stop spreading lies. People shouldnt have to go through the minefield I had to go through for no gain, only loss. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 15:56
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On 2008-07-09 15:32, bukboy wrote:
no I want assholes to stop spreading lies. People shouldnt have to go through the minefield I had to go through for no gain, only loss.
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But they are not lies if people believe them! Just mistakes. Getting angry at them won't help. On the contrary, they are much less likely to listen to what you have to say.
The strong rarely need to raise their voices...
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bukboy
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 16:48
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and tolerance is a silent approval.
Ur right about the lies being mistakes. What an insiduous meme virus spirituality is. |
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klippel
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 16:52
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On 2008-07-09 16:48, bukboy wrote:
and tolerance is a silent approval
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that is among the most stupid statements iĀ“ve ever heard.. everybody with brains left is out of this discussion by now, latest! |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 18:38
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Undertow, have u noticed that conmen emulate the strong which dont raise their voices?
Considering that being soft spoken is worthless as a measure of truth. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 19:55
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On 2008-07-09 18:38, bukboy wrote:
Undertow, have u noticed that conmen emulate the strong which dont raise their voices?
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No. I've never (knowingly) been conned but that makes sense. People will be more likely to listen. Always a good thing when trying to con people. 
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Considering that being soft spoken is worthless as a measure of truth.
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I didn't imply that it was. I was talking about effective ways to communicate an idea. Your aggressive method, whether you are correct or not, is counter productive.
Unless of course the only thing you are doing is venting your frustrations rather than trying to share your ideas. In which case you can safely be ignored.
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cytopia
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 22:19
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On 2008-07-09 15:32, bukboy wrote:
no I want assholes to stop spreading lies.
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Then stop spreading lies
(Sorry, couldn't help myself)
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