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out of curiousity, How many of you guys make a good living with music alone?
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Triamera
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Posted : Mar 23, 2008 20:34
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i do too but not off psy for sure
work in the audio department of this firm called Prime Focus
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subconsciousmind
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There is money coming in sometimes, but bottom line: I never earned a single cent so far.
I would be happy if I even got all my investments back! 
What does actually happen to a professional musician when he needs to pay the bills but his creativity has one of the lows any artist experiences? Well he will be forced to simply do "something"...
Ever wondered why most "pros" get worse over time? Well I believe that is the answer. If you live from creativity you may be unable to have the neccessary creative breaks.
Anyway. PsyTrance is growing but CD/mp3 Sales go back.
Making a living with psytrance gets even more difficult. And most of those who do wont have the time to be in this forum.
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supergroover
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i record, mix, and produce for rock, blues, metal bands @ red house studios
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xrust
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a diferent one in thesaloniki greece
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Freeflow
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The thing is, people that starve them selfs live longer! haha
I think you have to be more of a businessman than a musician to make money out of music or anything for that matter...
I make music my lifestyle and i love to jam with people, i bring music everywhere! its a way of living and connecting with people.. i think we often missout that the person next beside you also carries music within him! So many people that do music, its wonderful! i mean we could all have a fulltime job entertaining eachother and just living like kings on this earth... But we fucked up!  still there is a chance for all of us to unite with music and just share, share share!! okej im getting hippie here but i truly believe in love!
subconsciousmind - that is soo true! There would be less lifeless music if musicians would take a break and just gather some creativity... and also not be so afraid to be innovative and break out of their spell and try new ones... my ego tells my that i rather please my self by doing music i like instead of making my self sick of the same stuff just to be able to get some money.... thats whack
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Upavas
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On 2008-03-20 20:24:20, psyaudionamics wrote:
out of curiousity, How many of you guys make a good living with music alone? I usually make all my income with my graphic design, with some lil spare cash in studio, would i have to become a dj if i wanna head into a direction where im just making money off music, will that alone be good also i would think that the location where i live will also entitle how much money i make, any good suggestions of good countries to live where getting gigs would be easier, and more chances of this dream to be fulfill or will i be stuck in the boondocks of isolation here in homestead florida 
ive thought of moving to new zealand even though id be far from my loved ones hard decisions....
any feedback or anyone in the same shoes feel free to express ya selves, boom
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I have been to New Zealand a few times and as far as making a living with Psy there is concerned, not an easy task there. There are a few people there into Psy and they make great parties there, however I don't know anyone there who makes a living exclusively of Psy...
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cytopia
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For us it is different, because we are web-label / digital distirbutor, my main activity is not as an artist.
With Cytopia.org, my partner and myself have full time jobs next to the work we do for the website. Traffic and sales have increased at Cytopia, and so far the earnings collect on an account, and we spend it on new developments, promotion, mastering, and paying the labels and artists. In February I paid my flight to Hamburg for a 3 day mastering session, and that was a novelty .
At times I hoped Cytopia would be my full time job, but I do also realize that what goes on in the psy-trance scene may not be what is good for me as a full time activity!
I learn things in my full time job with an international publisher, that I would not learn doing Cytopia nor music full time, but that I can and do apply when creating new ideas, initiatives with Cytopia. The only regret I have is not having more time to put into my own music as "Servellen" and not DJ-ing anymore, it is something I hope to have more time for in the future.
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Kitnam
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On 2008-03-21 11:12, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
I make my living only from music... Gigs on psy parties but also commercial music production in my own studio.
In the last two years since my album was released, i can say, most of the money i made from gigs and not from studio anymore. I don't have so much time for working in studio at this moment. I have at least 2-3 gigs every month, so i am most of the time left from home. I had also a job as music teacher on high school in the past but i had to quit because of no time.
I can not say i make lots of money, but i think it's good enough to pay my bills, make a decent living, and why not, to invest in some new equipment.
Maybe, because i was born in an ex-comunist country i have learned to make a decent living without spending money on ussless stuff. Maybe that's the trick... I dunno...
I forgot to mention that i don't use drugs and i don't smoke or drink (just on occasions). That is important because it may cost you a lot of money.
So, if a romanian or bulgarian (for example), can survive with only 200-300 Euro per month, when all the prices are the same as in E.U, how can i complain with more than 1500 Euro income per month ???
I think the situation is not as bad in psy trance scene as it looks, maybe only for beginners, or "wanna be artist"... Of course, it depends of the artist, the music style, quality of music you make, promotion etc...
So my advice for the young artists who wanna make a living from music is :
If you wanna make a living from music, you must chose the hard way... So, take the "red pill", stay in wonderland  , and focuse on the music... forget about anything else.
If you wanna make music just for fun, you can do it, but take the "blue pill", the story ends.... you may go find a job, and forget about money from music.
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could i ask you a question.. without having contact to drugs and alcohol and that kind of stuff and having 2-3 gigs the week. how do you deal with beeing surrounded on many partys with crazy people on drugs - which sometimes arrange a real bizarre (and sometimes ugly) ambience for thoose who are not into drugs.
bow and respects, k.
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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could i ask you a question.. without having contact to drugs and alcohol and that kind of stuff and having 2-3 gigs the week. how do you deal with beeing surrounded on many partys with crazy people on drugs - which sometimes arrange a real bizarre (and sometimes ugly) ambience for thoose who are not into drugs.
bow and respects, k.
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well, i personally don't have anything against the drugs, as long peoples don't abuse them. I simply choose not to use drugs because, 12-13 years ago when i started with trance music, there was almost no drugs in my country and it was only the music who drive me into this scene.
I still belive in this music and in this culture, but i am sad to see that the scene is going down day by day because of the drugs abuse...
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shamantrixx
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shamantrix thats like the first thing I ever agreed on with u! |
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Damn... now I'm mainstream
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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shamantrixx
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On 2008-03-22 11:48, heretical wrote:
you almost certainly will profoundly disagree with yourself when you are older...
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hard likely... There is no one single reason why life should really go on. People just believe that it is important to continue living as long as it's possible. More often than not they live unhappy, frustrated, worried, afraid, attached and they have jobs that they don't like. What's the point in living that kind of life? Why should I change my mind? The older I am the less I believe in that utterly stupid concept of "life MUST go on".
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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ohshit
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shamantrixx
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Why those who pursue money always have so strong believe about others people attitudes towards money. Like you need to believe that we all share that obsession in order to feel good about your own pursuit.
Is it so hard to comprehend that there is nothing worth having that money could possibly buy? What should i have... a private jet... just for me!? C'mon... only thing that will make you happy is being around people that feel happy because of you. The most utter joy is making others feel happy, and spending money on them surely does not make them feel happy... not for more than few hours or days in best case.
People who talk about money never turn out to be artists... quite a lot of them is engaged in artistic role playing, but world seems to remember very few rich artists, and there's a good reason for that... Money inhibits ones imagination and creativity quite fast. Maybe it makes the world go around but it's not making any art... that's for sure.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Elad
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its not hard to understand that there are things that money cant buy
but why so hard for you to realize you can have this things and also money????
what is it exacly that keep you away from friendship , love , happiness , enjoy from the little things , smile , dance , create.... if you have money then its not possible ?
we are not talking on some 90 years old geezers that live in some twisted world , with money all it meens to us is better car that not gonna break evry other week , better place to live in that not need construction and not too tight, more technology for your own benefit and pleasure and offcourse more dumb blondes in your bed lol
what you said is not true at all , actualy most of the times ive seen peaple with lot of money they were very happy positive peaple , much more from someone after 8 hours in stinkin job that he have to do things for other peaple only since it pays
(we all still must eat have place to live etc. right)
not to mention most of them made money in very positive ways.
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shamantrixx
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give me a brake. I don't say that you can't have ANY money. I was talking about people who talk about money a lot. The ones who are explicitly unable to see that the more you have the less others have because money can not be eaten nor does it covers you from rain. It's just a means for buying stuff. OK? But "stuff" is of earth, wood, plants, iron.... right? And there is only ONE earth with so much stuff on it... right? And who's exactly entitled to sell the earth for money? Was it not here long before we came about?
Of course it was, it's obvious. What is not so obvious is who are the sick pricks who find them self entitled to own the entire planet? Who sold them the earth. When did this planet choose it's legal representatives who are selling land, forests, materials, water and all that stuff that was here long before we came here?
And don't even try to sell me that propaganda bullshit about fabricating stuff from raw materials to products because that work is carried out by (as you said your self) "someone who 8 hours in stinking job that he have to do things for other people only since it pays"
So people who make stuff get peanuts for that. Isn't it? Only the so called "chosen" ones benefit by making others work for them after stealing from them by force everything that they had. That's the history behind all wealth in every corner of the earth where man had the advent of arms. It's called futilism and if it ware not the case we would not have so much money spent on advanced weapons as it is clearly the case. In order to remain rich, the rich invest money in means of keeping what they have. Since it's earned in such a positive way it takes weapons to keep it and that it the true mirror of futilism that you must cover with blanket in order to feel "happy" about your self if you are among those who support that concept.
What ever makes money is empowering others, regardless of the way that it's been done since we have only so much "stuff" on this planet. You can preach until the end day about "very positive ways" of empowering less fortunate among us (that is to say the vast majority of us) but nothing you say will make the pour people feel positive and happy. That's as obvious as obvious can be. Ambition to have more than others is called greed and greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.
So who ever is feeling happy by making a lot of money (by lot I mean more than one really needs in order to avoid hunger and sickness) is quite ignorant and egocentric lacking basic human qualities such as empathy, ethics, communication, responsibility and conscience.
To have and not to share (since what you have is what was here before you and there for not yours at all) is to feel love for only few people. If a person loves only one (or few) other person and is indifferent to all others, his love is not love but a symbiotic attachment, or an enlarged egotism.
There is no island of happiness in the ocean of misery, but pursuing that utopia will further spread the misery.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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