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out of curiousity, How many of you guys make a good living with music alone?
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bukboy
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Posted : Jun 25, 2008 14:41
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Personally I can understand what the hitler was thinking. Which is that most people are incapable of producing really valuable outputs, and are therefore a replaceable self replicating cheap labour force.
He made alliances with all the capitalists and industrialists by lowering working wages to give him his war machine. Americans were among those bank rolling him coz they thought it would be a really nice system to be brought back to america. 
But the real issue is that he is considered "evil" because he lost, not fundamentally because of what he did, because what they did was consistent with practical rules of life and evolution. In the nuremburg trials the defendants were unrepentant calling the trials a sham victors justice. If hitler won, then no fake justice would have been handed out, only victory parades, and all the people would have been proud to be part of the new system.
In the end hitler lost because he made it obvious that he was not going to share markets in china or europe with the western empire, and was intent on expanding, so they destroyed him because he opposed their interests.
Hitler was admired by many prominent American politicians (including G.W.Bush's grand father Prescott Bush) because of the productivity he was generating from the population in his state, and the fanatical devotion to the state he created with propaganda.
He was quite a realist. bullshitting the dumb masses with propaganda to make em feel superior, and making them fight his wars, while the capitalists, entrepreneurs and scientists (the real greats) were his logistical base.
The man is admirable for many reasons, however, the main one is that he managed to live life, and see through all the religious and humanist propaganda, and create a social system based more on what evolution respects, then what our plebian ideals allow. Stalin as well.
How many of you could live with the guilt of killing 30Million people? He had none, coz he knew that god and afterlife is just a made up story to make people work hard and not break the law.
Personally I think if he was more subtle I wouldnt be alive today. But In thinking that I personally am special in the universe, and a worthy reason to prevent the holocaust I would be very arrogant and ignorant of my place in the universe, or my replaceability. |
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Kitnam
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oh is this the reason why people doent like you within this thread? you are spreading nazi-propaganda?
what a bullshit, and i will show you why...
have you ever killed another human beeing?
if the theory is right that we need to be superiour about someone else, why we usually do not kill each other?
because we are more into things which expand our civilisation, not into reducing it. the ww2 was a strong cut, you can still see in the population growth of many many countries. this is not nature. you want to eat, you want to have sex, but killing another human as a human is not naturally (try it there is a wall inside of you which will be extremly try to prevent you from doing that with your hands only - this is the mainreason for success weapons by the way - they avoid the natural barrier each human feels if he is trying to harm another human) , it is strongly against human nature. otherwise the nazis wouldnt need any thing of mass propaganda (which took more than 10 years to lead into a war).
they also covered the first attacks against poland and other countries as "defending" with fake attacks behind false flag. all this would not be needed if the nature of beeings would be like the way you described, because it would go automaticly then - it didnt man, it didnt.
what a bullshit - i am sick of such crap - especially as a german.
you are heavily misunderstanding the principe of nature where different sorts of animals fight against each other. animals does not fight, they want to life too. they only do it if its the very lost way and the usually do not kill, the just make other animals flee. killing is the very last way out.
when carnivore-animals need to eat, the pick up ill and old victims out of the flock. this is a nature principe which leads to better groth of all living beeings, especially on not dispersion illness. the whole nature is about growing and it is not about destruction (the ww2 was heavy destruction, maybe you dont know).
next point for your sick head: nature is not about "who is the strongest". do you know why? because if it would be about the strongest we would not stand here. the saberthooded tiger would rule the world and maybe t-rex. but they do not.
nature is about who is the most flexible. this is a totally different point.
the germans around 70 years ago in this country where thinking the same bullshit like you and thank good the didnt made it. we have problems with neo-nazis here in our country. they usually are the ones which prefer drinking too much alcohol and have not listend to the teacher at school. I am so sick of seeing such an ignorance and stupid thinking i cant stand that anymore. go away and never post something again here until you have solved your problems. i hope you are getting banned very quikly otherwise this forum is never beeing visited by myself again.
what a stupid bullshit.
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sahak
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I started writing a logical to some of your points until I realised that I have better things to do than argue with a ignorant moron like yourself bukboy. If your way of thinking is shaped by the cut throat environment you are immersed in then you really need to evaluate the direction your life is taking you. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jun 25, 2008 18:07
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Dudes - I'm being very civil, so please don't call me ignorant or moron without a good reason. And I don't mean an obvious reason thats unspoken.
I didn't say I endorsed the Nazi approach. All I say Is that I respect its efficiency. Can you not tell the difference? Do you have the abstract ability to remove your emotions from the picture and see the systems operation?
About Killing other people. ive never killed anyone although there is one person I would actually kill without remorse if I had the chance, Robert Mugabe. Hes just a parasite thats causing untold harm to many sheep that could be productively utilized .
Also I don't actually support the pointless killing of people. I think it happens naturally when one civilization expands and another weaker one opposes.
Look at Iraq or Palestine.
Sahak - it seems obvious to you Im ignorant, so please explain why its so obvious. In my personal life I have a loving girlfriend who is a general manager who reckons that if Africa was nuked no exceptions should be made for the black friends she has.
I have a position of responsibility which allows me the resources of my company at my discretion for whatever purposes I see advancing its interest. i.e. a position of trust.
I have friends that have a tertiary education at least.
I don't have to worry about money, I don't have any debt. I have 3 hobbies, i.e. growing boutique herb, music and photography.
I have a degree in engineering and have done philosophy and psychology at university level for personal edification.
How am I ignorant? maybe politically incorrect or just very honest, but I don't do that outside of anonymity, because my barbarian brothers would slaughter me for doing thought crimes.
How is my point of view inferior to yours? given that all people are to be treated equal. (so long as they sing your tune?)
Like Bill Hicks said In america "You are FREE, You are FREE... To do as you're told."
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neuromantik
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Posted : Jun 25, 2008 18:43
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Someone should lock this thread, unless someone can enlighten me if hitler made psytrance and if so, how much did he make a month 
Seriously stop, this has nothing to do with music production, take this thread to Offtopic please. Thank you
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bukboy
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Agreed - Im entirely apathetic now, you just cant make a camel drink. |
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Colin OOOD
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Upavas
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Bukboy, life and evolution are definitely beyond logic. I have given you a clear explanation why evolution is beyond logic, cannot be logical... before you make your point, that evolution is logical, I urge you to please back it up. You keep throwing statements into this room about logic. You please explain to me the logic of the spark of life. The chemical compounds are a necessary vehicle, like a climate in which life can blossom.that's all. Life itself has nothing to do with logic, no matter how you put it.
As to Hitler, you are being far from civil. You are using an example of someone who killed millions in a most cruel way, was a necrophile (proven beyond doubt so don't you go throwing more of your statements in there) and try to tell us that he was a realist! Common man, how deluded do you think we are? The guy had an explosive personality, was hooked on crystal meth and was into having sex with dead people, and you tell us he was a realist. Man that's deluded.
And to your building blocks of life that are so logical, why are they here? Tell me one logical reason why these chemical compounds exist! You will find none. As a matter of fact nothing that exists here is there for a logical reason, except you maybe???
It seems no matter what we say to you, you are blinded by your own ego and cannot stop throwing more and more statements that have nothing to do with reality. Your building blocks of life statement is nothing but an attempt to be right anyway, and a very poor one at that. As far as I am concerned it really starts stinking man.
The Nazi approach was far from efficient. People were starving and dying. More than 50 million died, and you talk about efficiency... You as a Polack should know better. Just ask your grandma... I am sure she will tell you how inefficient it all was...
I am done blogging with you. I feel you only argue for your ego's sake, not for this forum at all. Your reasoning is fundamentally flawed, yet you go on arguing. Your Hitler statement proves it without a doubt. As does your foolish statement of building blocks and their logic.
I guess some people just don't know when to stop, and you are one of them...
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cytopia
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Some people really get off on being provocative, its not like they do not know they are doing it.
Especially an educated man with a refined mind, may be obliged to act responsibly and take more care to be a little more sensitive in their ranting; and more humble in contemplating their own greatness and superiority.
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bukboy
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Posted : Jun 26, 2008 10:52
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dudes I have only been honest.
Colin, Ubuntu sounds like what I usually see on the streets around here, "GIVE ME, EISH, GIVE ME! IM YOUR BROTHER EISH" (Im not your fucking brother)
It would be entirely feasible in a society of competents, but not in a society of barbarians. (Maybe you havent been in contact with these dudes I dont know.)
Dont get me wrong I do respect people, I respect you, In fact I respect anyone who can teach me something. But I dont respect people automatically, respect is EARNED.
as far as I see it, ubuntu sounds like a rehash of utilitariansm and is based on the Christian self sacrifice to the greater good principle. i.e. the individual is unimportant, and sounds a bit communist too. Your brother has to support you even though you're an incompetent lout who does nothing except drink beer all day and beat his wife. Not really a philosophy I support.
Practically speaking look at what the culture in africa has accomplished. Corrupt thieving dictators in EVERY state. Not an encouraging demonstration.
No-one here has made a convincing effort to understand my point of view and craft an argument to refute it from within. Is it that I have not explained myself? Or is it that no-one wants to.
Based on the input from you dudes I havent seen any incontrovertible arguments as to Y I should accept your view on life, just fevered lashing. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jun 26, 2008 11:48
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upavas - I dont understand what the statement "evolution is logical" means. I never said such a thing and if I did, then I certainly didnt mean that.
All I want is a LOGICAL argument as to Y evolution is to be ignored because of idealism. |
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the daleks
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Bukboy, man just making lots of friends aren't you..
well, you get the award for the super hard-nose from me
i understand what you are saying, but think your are focusing on the less positive aspects of human behavior. nonetheless, I guess I have to respect your opinion because that's what free speach and society are about. but it doesn't mean i have to like it... in much the same way that you may not like my ideas, or the 'hippy' ideals that you always talk about
however, i think that man is a social creature, and is proven at the most basic level that men and women working together are much more capable then by themselves.
i think that when people try to cheat the system, expoit it, or worse aggress against eachother thats when you see a negative inefficiency although it may seem like some great gain, it implodes in upon itself. thats the point i was trying to make with Hitler, but I think you missed it. temporary gain always looks greater than long term gain, especially in politics and business, but short-sitedness usually loses out in the long term.
there is a term called the zero-sum gain relationship, and used alot in Poli Sci, i.e. in order for me to gain you have to lose. However, it was realized in the mid 60's that it is not necessarily always this way, and there is such a thing as variable-sum gain that occurs when 2 cultures trade or help eachother out. The end result is that instead of an end result of 0 where on gain is cancelled out by a loss, rather both sides benefit and the sum equals greater than what was input into the equation
so thats my argument, explore variable sum gain as a logical alternative to caveman thinking
as humans, we can hope to learn from our mistakes instead of continually repeating them. it does get boring after awhile....
i lived in Atlanta, GA for awhile, where there is severe racial tension. I could jump on your bandwagon, and say how gangsters were scary, and some people tried to rip me off, but personally I found the racist white people there more disagreeable... like children repeating the same things there daddy taught them without even thinking about it or questioning it. Gamma Riders EP out now on iTunes and Amazon.com!
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bukboy
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Posted : Jun 26, 2008 14:34
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Daleks - Thankyou.
I personally believe that the world is heading in the direction of social "hive's" so I have no problem with social groups that come together for gain.
Companies are a fantastic combination of useful people that generate their share, and I believe this is the future simply because it is by far more efficient than any social structures devised until today.
On Game theory -
please name one practically useful product that the indigenous culture here provides, and I will grudgingly agree that its not a zero sum game situation where they get all the benefit of our culture and we get nothing in return. |
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acidkills
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On 2008-06-25 18:43, neuromantik wrote:
Someone should lock this thread, unless someone can enlighten me if hitler made psytrance and if so, how much did he make a month
Seriously stop, this has nothing to do with music production, take this thread to Offtopic please. Thank you
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Oh come on. This is entertaining.
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