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out of curiousity, How many of you guys make a good living with music alone?
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pAn k - psyacoustics
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 11:57
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Well dude... actually all your previous posts sounded EXACTLY like you endorse these acts no matter what you say now..
You wondered WHY is it wrong to act so...(genosides & shit),wich means that you find it right=>therefore you approve it or even endorse it..
I didn't need you to tell me how the world system works , cause I can see it myself (unless you think I'm fuckin stupid or borned yesterday..)
Soo...if your initial intention was to inform us all how the thing goes nowdays...well holly shit man !!That's a hell of an information!!!!
Thanks for the enlightment... we haven't really noticed these facts by ourselves....Who gave you that information
anyway ????
But you still haven't answered my question about HOW WOULD YOU FEEL if someone broke into your home,raped you and your family,kick your ass out of it and said "fuck off it's mine now simply "cause I'm superior".... |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 12:05
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Well I wouldn't let that happen. but Im irrelevant.
I do find evolution and life in general fantastic. I have interests only in discovering how the thing works, and not in how other peoples feverish, idealistic, religious, socialistic, political BS propaganda works. Im just a student observing objective reality, with no attachment to any biased alterior motives.
The way that the world works and the way that most people like to think it works is very different. Im just arguing logically against dumb propositions from assholes who cant open up their minds.
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the daleks
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 12:13
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oooo.... i sense a lock coming soon....
ok, well heres one for the fire
clean yards vs dirty yards. bukboy you mentioned how nice japan is because everyone is productive. I live here, and it is pretty nice, low crime rate, men and women can generally walk around late at night without fear. that being said there are incidents from time to time, like the mass stabbing in akihabara the other week, and the really high suicide rate (highest in the world). in the years since i have lived here there has been a steady increase in violent crimes, and while still low, i think this is attributed to some phenomenon similar to the mass shootings in the US. however that is a different subject, and digresses from the point i want to make
the point is overall, that yes japan is a pretty decent place, and i think that is because the japanese make great efforts to keep it that way. keeping it that way is not innate, but rather a social consciousness (oppressive at times) coupled with developed social systems. people still fall through the cracks and freak out from time to time, but maybe less that what may be commonplace in other societies/countries. so my point is that its in everyone's best interest's to help with the clean yard, and the government has to take the lead. we can see perhaps that is failing in SA, and parts of the US, but we can't blame evolution for failed social policies....
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bukboy
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 13:38
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Daleks - I think free education would be the best way to get this country up to speed, however, since we have mostly a population of consumers, there isnt enough money in the tax coffers to provide those kind of 1st world service (like in australia or sweden), and so a catch 22 ensues.
Until we can afford it (never because of the culture of the locals) a more brutal reality is part of everyday life, and this I think is completely part of evolution continuing in its full efficient ruthlessness.
My objection is that people seem to think that what is happening is somehow to be blamed on someone else instead of evolution just going through its rounds. They think "morality" has somehow been violated. Morality however is not a principle of the universe, its just an evolved social construct that is successful in some instances at promoting population growth.
We're all part of that integration, and we all have to make survival choices. In 3rd world countries the choices are a bit more bleak, never the less a reality.
1st world do-gooders I think have no concept of what the real issues are. |
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pAn k - psyacoustics
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 13:55
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well...
A.) as an observer you shouldn't have expressed your opinion since observers ain't supposed to have one (and since nobody cares either..)
B.)Your shitty vision about the world has nothing to do with the purposes of a psytrance forum...wich consists of naive hippies listening to repetetive music
feeling theirselves as part of the cosmic consciousness (that really doesn't have anything to do with biased assholes who only exist to feed the system..=> means you my consumable friend)...in other words whadafuck are you doing here anyway....?This ain't no forum for politics, sportie..Perhaps you should look somewhere else..
However... opinions are like assholes..everyone's got one..and you're willing to share yours...but honestly man...not another asshole...especially from such an asshole!!keep it for yourself....
soo, pretty snowflake-boy,
produce music instead of tryin' to share your asshole !!!
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LS.
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 15:00
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@bukboy
Rather put up/fly your Polish flag and stop being such a disgrace to fellow South Africans.
Peace,love,respect and universal understanding!
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+1 from another South African and if i were you i would suggest probably changing your artist name as well. you really aren't going to get far here with an attitude like yours.
Some real disgusting comments. Come on man!
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pAn k - psyacoustics
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 15:23
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I really have to make clear that I don't have anything against dudes from South Africa or anywhere in the world... It's that particullar attitude I despise & made me refer to the SA situation..
So I apologize If I offended anyone who happened to live in South Africa , besides the pretty/faggie/Polish(?!?)/SouthAfrican(??!)/snowflake/boy who carries the flag of SA instead of his own country's,simply cause he probably feels ashamed of his true origins & whose statements are indeed a disgrace for the rest of you.
Back to F@ck%n' Music...
peace n' psychedelic trance !!!
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makus
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 16:18
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i dont make living from trance music. i do, however, earn money with sound engineering and composing soundtracks.
www.overdreamstudio.com |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 16:26
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lol.
When people disagree with me I generally ask them Y and argue my side, given that naive hippies dominate this board its obvious Y I had to disagree and explain.
Now I have given u my reasons. I think they are evidently self-consistent and by far more consistent with the objective world then any ideology anyone here has proposed.
I having argued this through have not yet seen one shred of convincing evidence from u or anyone that what I said is incorrect at a fundamental level.
I would argue that your closed mindedness on this is simply your adherence to faith in new age, spiritual crap.
U should actually be thanking me for putting these points up for debate and seeding your minds, since they are the personal opinions of highly placed conservative constituents, (and not just south africans.)
On psyforum someone posted a Nietsche quote
"Life itself, is to my mind the instinct for growth, for durability, for an accumulation of forces, for power: where the will to power is lacking there is decline. It is my contention that all the supreme values of mankind lack this will—that the values which are symptomatic of decline, nihilistic values, are lording it under the holiest names"
I quite respect that. great quote.
P.S. Colin and everyone. Please give me one GOOD reason why I am wrong. |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 23, 2008 21:27
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Today in the morning I had a little egg and toast with indian dressing, very tasty. But the best was the glas with fresh orange juice (100% offcourse).
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OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Jun 24, 2008 03:27
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"You're not wrong, Walter, YOU'RE JUST AN ASSHOLE!" |
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Upavas
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Posted : Jun 24, 2008 03:40
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Bukboy,
I have given you a very spot on reason, and clear evidence. Evolution is growth and prospering of a species. Not to an end of who is on top, but as a SPECIES, as a whole. The problem is that you are looking outside yourself. Start within you, not from the outside. How can you love someone if you don't love yourself? And don't tell me you love yourself, your words clearly indicate otherwise. I have lived (not just visited) in 3rd world countries, in 2nd world countries like New Zealand and in 1st world countries, such as Japan and the USA.
I have also lived in Hawai'i, where racial tensions are pretty obvious, like in South Africa... white people are a minority and I have seen a few pretty nasty things there... it can get one very easily to a standpoint like yours, when one is not aware!
The problem remains the same, and yes, Japan is a bit easier on a crime level, that has to do with the fact that japanese first start from a view point that how can I help humanity and therefor help myself.
Pretty smart way of viewing things. Even though smart, nevertheless imperfect. The high suicide rate proves it.
The question should be, how can I help myself and therfor help humanity?
The will to power is nothing but bullshit. We come here and live on this planet, maybe 70, maybe 100 years, and while we are here we make so much fuss. We accumulate and when we die we can't take any of it with us. It is like people in a waiting hall, they wait for a train and while they do so everyone rips everyone else off as much as they can. Then the train comes and the conductor says, sorry folks, only you can come, your baggage needs to remain, all of it.
Now all the people in the waiting hall are so exhausted from ripping each other off. They could have had a party with nice repetitive sound and really enjoyed themselves, party together, dance together, rejoice together, instead they chose to waste their time with will to power. That to me is not evolution, it is a simple waste of time.
Now I don't know why you go to parties and play at parties. Seems to me you are not out for the fun but to be on top of an imaginary ladder of "will to power". If that is so, then start from within yourself. Don't ask what is wrong with society, ask yourself that what is wrong with you!
Is that reason finally good enough for you?
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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http://upavas.com
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bukboy
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Posted : Jun 24, 2008 09:34
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Upavas - No. because its not logical. Its just one contingent alternative.
To convince me you would have to generate a realistic scenario in which a civilization based on your principles would be better able to survive than one proposed by me, i.e. maximum production and competition with military and economic expansionism. (hmmm sounds sorta like america) And prejudice against every culture which is not productive. Arguably the west is already all american.
I have no idea how a hippy civilization would outlast that one. |
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Upavas
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Posted : Jun 24, 2008 10:46
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Bukboy,
you imply that evolution is logical. No life is logical. Because there is no logical reason for life to exist. Life IS evolution. Since there is no logical explanation of life there cannot be a logical evolution!
So it is entirely up to you (and everyone else for that matter), you can choose the path of power and you can choose a path of peace, the end of it is certain, one day the train will come and you will have to leave everything behind.
You can either leave happy and fulfilled, content for a life of fun, you can also die unfulfilled, because no amount of power you have accumulated will ever be enough to satisfy you.
So why not leave all your logic clutter behind and join the party?
There are plenty of ancient culture that managed to live in the kind of balance I was talking about. They thrived for millenia all over the place. No global warming, no hunger and no will to power. Unfortunately no synthesizers either, however, they had trance parties as well...
On another note you imply what I am proposing is a hippie culture. Where did you get the idea from that that is how hippies live?
On yet another note. I am frantically trying to decide if I should get an analog synth or a surround setup, dang...
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 24, 2008 11:39
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On 2008-06-23 12:05, bukboy wrote:
Well I wouldn't let that happen. but Im irrelevant.
I do find evolution and life in general fantastic. I have interests only in discovering how the thing works, and not in how other peoples feverish, idealistic, religious, socialistic, political BS propaganda works. Im just a student observing objective reality, with no attachment to any biased alterior motives.
The way that the world works and the way that most people like to think it works is very different. Im just arguing logically against dumb propositions from assholes who cant open up their minds.
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you try to be objectivly which is impossible for you since you are a human beeing as everyone else. you just have an opinion inside of your construction of thinking about the world, which seems logical inside of your building only. and every day you try to pick up things to make your building more comfortable. thats all. you are man inside of 4 walls. you say "open minded"...
open minded doesnt mean, that other people have to say yes to your 4-walls-world-argues. it means that every person has to step out of his picture and look on things without evaluation, for you and for anyone else. and if you would be so free of personal evaluation and be as objective and free as you like to say, then i ask why your way of talking to people sometimes pops up some aggressive acts ("dump assholes bla bla") which is a clear sign that something inside of you is driven by pure stress and you try to release this stress while you like to flame some people here onboard - i also think you picked up a tranceboard because you know that the people here always try to be respectull to each other which makes it easier for people like you to fool around. i know you very well - bla bla maschines looking for attention. go to daddy and take a hug - this has nothing to do with music production.
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