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Ott ~ 'Mir' ~ Album Launch Party
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Posted : Feb 10, 2011 18:58
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On 2011-02-10 16:18, kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko wrote:
well - if the mix was not good at the first place, nothing can't help it. no matter how much the master guy is great
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true.
i didn;t explain that very well before. what the person meant who said this was that when you are mixing a track, if you A/B it to a track that you consider to be very well produced and mastered, then if you can get your own mix sounding 85% as good as this then the mastering should do the rest. |
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Posted : Feb 10, 2011 22:26
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On 2011-02-10 16:49, Beat Agency wrote:
Sadly most artist today can not afford to pay £ 150 an hour to get their music properly mastered.
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I can't afford it but the alternative is putting out a record which doesn't sound as good as it could and that's not really an option. |
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Posted : Feb 10, 2011 22:30
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On 2011-02-10 16:18, kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko wrote:
well - if the mix was not good at the first place, nothing can't help it. no matter how much the master guy is great
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I take your point but I don't agree entirely. No mastering engineer can save a terrible mix, that is true, but a mix which is proportionally balanced within itself but which is tonally wrong can be corrected at mastering.
Many times in the past I've mixed stuff in unfamiliar or acoustically poor rooms that sounded great at the time but terrible everywhere else and that were successfully corrected by the mastering engineer.
If I've learned anything in the time I've been working with music is that you really can polish a turd. |
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kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
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Posted : Feb 10, 2011 23:43
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On 2011-02-10 22:30, Ott^ wrote:
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On 2011-02-10 16:18, kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko wrote:
well - if the mix was not good at the first place, nothing can't help it. no matter how much the master guy is great
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I take your point but I don't agree entirely. No mastering engineer can save a terrible mix, that is true, but a mix which is proportionally balanced within itself but which is tonally wrong can be corrected at mastering.
Many times in the past I've mixed stuff in unfamiliar or acoustically poor rooms that sounded great at the time but terrible everywhere else and that were successfully corrected by the mastering engineer.
If I've learned anything in the time I've been working with music is that you really can polish a turd.
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well- in a way we say the same thing
when i mean bad mix i mean to a really bad mixing . 
unfamiliar or acoustically poor rooms is something common i think in way of the home studio these days as people need to accept what they can afford - and that means also not only in equipment but also in acoustics.
so many times good mastering solve this acoustics issues of mixing , but well, bad mixing of track can be fixed in way but it will not help if the master guy will "cut" (or the opposite)and polish some freq. . most of time if the mix is to much unbalance all the track will be effected in the mastering .
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kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 00:02
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btw
i know as a fact that this mastering room is super high quality
just need to listen to some of his work and understand the quality behind good mastering as his
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 00:07
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On 2011-02-10 22:26, Ott^ wrote:
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On 2011-02-10 16:49, Beat Agency wrote:
Sadly most artist today can not afford to pay £ 150 an hour to get their music properly mastered.
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I can't afford it but the alternative is putting out a record which doesn't sound as good as it could and that's not really an option.
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I agree and in a perfect world I would pay the same but releasing music should be fun and not about loosing a lot of money. Which you 100% will if paying this high fees on mastering (+ all other costs producing CD's). I can live with a less experienced" mastering and save the hard earned cash i make from my full-time day job
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 02:12
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On 2011-02-11 00:07, Beat Agency wrote:
I agree and in a perfect world I would pay the same but releasing music should be fun and not about loosing a lot of money. Which you 100% will if paying this high fees on mastering (+ all other costs producing CD's). I can live with a less experienced" mastering and save the hard earned cash i make from my full-time day job
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I hear what you're saying and I justify the cost partly because this is my day job. An artist [painter] friend of mine thinks nothing of spending £1000 on oil paints and canvasses because it's how he makes his living and he needs the materials to do his job.
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mattman
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 05:03
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Cool. Thanks for some insights. It's not intuitively apparent how important good mastering is not having heard too much 'unmastered' music.
I guess mastering is also a huge thing for pop music. But every so often, the producer goes: NO. It will have loudness. And it will sound great to the masses.
For instance, I love the red hot chili peppers. But damn, Californication and Stadium Arcadium sound terrible. The lowest acoustic pluck is as loud as the snaredrum.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 07:21
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On 2011-02-11 05:03, mattman wrote:
For instance, I love the red hot chili peppers. But damn, Californication and Stadium Arcadium sound terrible. The lowest acoustic pluck is as loud as the snaredrum.
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There are two kinds of loud - 'good' loud and 'shit' loud.
'Shit' loud is easy... |
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kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 14:17
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On 2011-02-11 05:03, mattman wrote:
For instance, I love the red hot chili peppers. But damn, Californication and Stadium Arcadium sound terrible. The lowest acoustic pluck is as loud as the snaredrum.
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There are two kinds of loud - 'good' loud and 'shit' loud.
'Shit' loud is easy...
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totally
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willsanquil
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Posted : Feb 16, 2011 23:18
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Just got wind of you, Phutureprimitive and Alex Grey coming to Portland OR in a couple of months!!!!! Really excited, I haven't had the pleasure of seeing you live yet
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Alienc
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Posted : Feb 16, 2011 23:25
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any samples yet? |
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phoonadza
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Posted : Feb 23, 2011 04:11
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wow...finally. |
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vitruvian
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Posted : Feb 26, 2011 06:22
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1. This is great news. You express beauty in music like no other.
2. I will happily be purchasing this album.
3. I have enjoyed your sets at Rainbow immensely.
4. Some artists I would love to hear you work with (in no particular order): Shulman, Androcell, Dubsahara, Kuba and Master Margherita.
...and of course more from your side projects. They are awesome.
5. I am heartened to see you touring all over the place, it is success and exposure you deserve.
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vitruvian
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Posted : Feb 26, 2011 10:42
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PS. The above suggestions are made with respect, of course. |
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