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Originality in PsyTrance...
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aXis
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 06:45
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ok lets not gt into producers war ! just shows how stoned we are 
brothers , music in the electronic domain has not reached its peak. Wit darkpsytrance we can only try attaining its peak. Trick is in to keep trying. WHY do u care abt anyother sound than ur own . 
Im very very satisfied wit a lotta music that released past 2 years. But hmm its like 1/10th of the totall releaeses. Maybe Labels shud take a note on this |
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Terrafractyl
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 07:46
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I think theres still plenty of originality in psy, perhaps as much as there ever was, but its just got swamped by piles of uninteresting stuff...
IMO this is a lot to do with the inclusive/DIY nature of our scene. People discover psy parties and see how much energy and effort are put into them by so many people. I think this instantly attracts people to get involved too.
Sometimes I wonder where the actual punters are at parties here, I wander around meeting people and everyone is a either a dj, or a producer, or a vj, or a promoter, or a label manager etc etc
In my part of the world so many new party crews and labels have appeared in the last few years and everyone wants to get their stuff out there, its kind of inevitable that the overall standard will go down over time if this continues...
but I think in the long run originality will generally be rewarded.
Theres plenty of original music being created here in Oz at the moment.
Zenon, Giiwa, Sundance(plug ) and Digital psionics have been pushing musical boundries for years, not too mention some of the new talent like Morning monsters, Up records etc etc
good times... 
oh and forgive me if i'm going over old ground here, I didn't quite get through the whole thread...
 all the dude ever wanted... was his rug back...
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 09:13
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I fear originality will not be rewarded in the long term...
Two reasons..
1: Young audience drops into the scene and finds everything soo cool. After a while they get bored. This would be the point where Originality got its chance, but then most swap into another subgenre till they get bored too.. Finaly they drop out, leave the place to new unexperienced people who fall for anything. I'm into this for more than ten years, the ONLY people around me who still are into it are those who started to organize, DJ, produce. I know very very few "consume only" persons who stayed into this scene for more than 5 years.
2: Therfore originality is not booked as often as standart. Since the bigger part of the audience is always the unexperienced part of the freaks, who swallow much more uncritical.
Actually the younger freaks would be open for originality too.. wouldn't even know if its original or not, but the heads in the scene, the major labels, seem to block out originality.. at least thats how I feel when I observe line ups at festivals and releases from major labels. They may fear original artists not being accepted. Not willing to take the risk.
You have to realize that the music getting big in Psy is determinated by 10-20 people. Selectors of major labels, distributors in each country and people in printmedia with the power to decide who gets a free "push". Most of them dependent on money through the music to survive, rather don't risk anything. Many of them blunted through years in that business.
For example in switzerland. My roommate was the person to decide which PSY CDs are being imported to switzerland, for about 5 years. from 1998 - 2003 every CD to appear in swiss shops had to go through her hands. She had a massive power over what is getting big and what isn't. If you know about how this works in the music scene you know that this is the normal case.
Today we have the webshops, but also those. There is usualy one person in each webshop to decide if the cd gets lost in the webpage or supported. If you want support anyway you got to pay, which is only possible for majors, who do not release originality.
There are only few labels who dare to invest money into promotion of original releases. Its risky. Standart always sells, no risk.
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Fortunately we have the privat internet, myspace and such to help originality to find its way, and gives real, uncontrolled evolution, survival of the fittest, a chance. But there we have such a massive amount of music, that it is difficult to be seen at all... Most of my music for you to download at:
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the daleks
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 09:59
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On 2008-04-02 15:21, bukboy wrote:
I think theres some very original stuff in other genres if ur willing to stomache it. certainly a lot more than in psy.
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its seems like your real bittered on psy, bukboy. remember change starts with the man in the mirror.
as for emo rock, what about the Descendents or a good handful, of mid-80's SoCal bands. more and more music these days is a throwback to some earlier 'retro' form in an attempt to reap its former glory. house music for example pretty much hasnt evolved imo since the late 90's. then if you get into sub-genres and classifications, that says another thing perhaps you are thinking about it too much
would Jimi Hendrix been classified as blues-fusion-psychedelic hard rock folk? doubt it cuz no one gave a shit because it sounded good and appealed to a wide audience
then there's two words 'American Idol' where game shows now decide the music moguls of tomorrow. I guess it cant be helped that people look to tv more for excitement that original music... but there are still bands plugging away in the heartlands struggling to get noticed, and rocking small places in the process
in this craze for something new, lets not forget its all about having a good time!
SCM, yes the punters! important to remember these people as integral elements of any scene and welcome them. In japan I can see similar cycles, and people coming to parties, you may not see them for awhile, and they may be starting families and mellowing out, then again you may see them some years later, and this time they have their kids, and it brings a new vibe to the party. some of the big parties you can see had their casualties, or some people got burned, did too much etc, and may stay away from the scene for fear of their own demons. with the new people coming in we must take care not too let this happen a second time. the scene is still growing! we had the boom and saw the damage it did, but we have a second chance, and imo trance never really did catch on to the world. it was a passing fad like hip-hop in the 80's. but for the people that stuck with it they were apart of its evolution, although sadly it devolved to bling and puffy, but we can see the patterns all around us, learn from them, and shape it in a direction thats good for all.
one of my friends who was free from working for 10 years, and DJed, returned to getting a full time job. however that really hasnt changed anything about him as far as I can tell, except that he seems more responsible. perhaps we should be less reliant on money and trying to make it in the scene, and at the same time keep making music and parties as we do. i think with big parties and big money you will always see a devolution of spirituality to some extent unless great care is taken in the process. that involves including charities, ngo's and causes that go inline with the ideals we hold true to ourselves, and keeping the balance of a party as close to 0 as possible with no profit
to me this is the fundamental difference between psychadelic music and popular music
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 10:16
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^ yup =)
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 10:23
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I wouldnt be so bitter if the music wasnt so shit |
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 10:42
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^ what psy u been listening to ? just curious .. ur right tho , bout a lot of it being shit
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 11:09
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Y ask names when u dont wanna know what it is?
Though I do think there are some decent artists out there. manifold, hydraglyph, commercial hippies, ibojima, phatmatix. But Im still into telemasca, deedra, dark soho, Xenomorph. Its just that it never gets played. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 11:30
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Hey. Im officially a victim of piracy now  . just saw my stuff on magesy. |
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smehoparanoya
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 15:39
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Guess, you've just stopped being original
Monitoring devices, know where you go
Mass media, total control
Digital delight, desire in megabite
Data overflow, virtual suicide
This information, is disinformation
Truth is hidden, knowledge forbidden |
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bukboy
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 16:23
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Not that I was in the first place |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 17:14
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On 2008-04-03 10:23, bukboy wrote:
I wouldnt be so bitter if the music wasnt so shit
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Letting other people's crap music control your state of mind is risky business. |
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Seamoon
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 18:54
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MishaCore
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 19:34
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nothin' is original anymore...mathcore and other new - school hardcore/metal has been here too for 10 years already...music is dying. soon music as a stand alone art will be gone...it will remain as a spice that adds flavour to other types of entertaiment, soundtracks for movies & video games, parties, enhancing drug experience or just a show . emotion receptors are getting to dull to be stimulated only by the sense of hearing. sad... but hey!let's enjoy the last years of this fine art!!! |
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vegetal
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 19:52
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On 2008-04-03 19:34, MishaCore wrote:
nothin' is original anymore...mathcore and other new - school hardcore/metal has been here too for 10 years already...music is dying. soon music as a stand alone art will be gone...it will remain as a spice that adds flavour to other types of entertaiment, soundtracks for movies & video games, parties, enhancing drug experience or just a show . emotion receptors are getting to dull to be stimulated only by the sense of hearing. sad... but hey!let's enjoy the last years of this fine art!!!
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Since when did music start dying? I have found more music that i really bang my head to in the last year than i have ever done before. Maybe music on a disc is dying but music itself is live and kickin.
Start thinking outside the box?
Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
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