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ORB FESTIVAL 2010 JUNE 10-13 @ Ramblewood Maryland
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psyfox
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 23:24
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It really is a shame that organisers cannot coordinate more for the benefit of the scene as a whole. Yes the two festivals in question are on opposite sides of the states each of which has its own trance scene, however the usa doesn't have many psy festivals so I'm sure many are more than willing to travel to get to them. It's also the best opportunity for the spread out us trance crowd to get together, share ideas and so on. If there were gatherings and small festivals happening every weekend then the clash wouldn't seem such an issue. However in a summer that lasts several months with very little on the horizon beyond June you would think another date may have been possible.
Anyways that's just my 2¢ - don't know anything about the background to the decision which was hopefully taken for good reasons.
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GyPsynate
GyPsy
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 01:54
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Honestly I dont think that it is a huge issue realy, sure it is a shame we all caint communicate better but I bet less than 10% of the US Psytrance community is even out weighing the two festivals. Most people who would be going to Gemini ( or ORB for that matter ) would not care to go to the other event if they had to choose.
Gemini goers are pretty dedicated and the same gos to Orb... Both are at amazing locations and both have a differnt choice of line-ups...
Now if they both were doing a free event ( sorry Docta ) with the same kind of acts all dark or all prog then we might have a debate, but for now I dont think there is a problem.
Of course this is all IMHO.
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jds
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 02:32
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^^^ I see where you're coming from but I disagree.
As an example, I really wanted to go to Gaian Mind last year because I've never been and I really want to go sometime. But it was the same weekend as Gemini. If it wasn't the same weekend, I would have found a way to plan in advance and budget some way of getting across the country for it. But since it was the same weekend, I couldn't justify the expense when there's another great event, closer, that takes less resources for me to get to.
On the surface, it sounds like: oh, boo hoo I missed a party. But there's so much more to it. Going to an event outside of your usual scene connects you with a whole other group of people. It opens up an entire network of connectivity. Everyone always talks about the North American 'scene' being small and a huge part of the reason is this acceptance of splitting the scene.
If organizers of the larger festivals put more effort into coordinating, the larger scene on the whole would benefit in ways we can't even begin to quantify (this, obviously isn't as easy as it sounds and there will always be timing conflicts, trust me I'm not totally naive, but the point is valid regardless).
It's not really about people deciding which to go to, it's about blocking off a potential for increasing and strengthening the network which ties the big picture together. |
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bluespectralmonkey
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 02:48
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gemini has been the same weekend for 12 years,
orb seems to switch every year. maybe this was the only weekend available, since GMSF isnt using ramblewood this time around. (or producing an event at all afaik)
yes, its a bummer that they are the same weekend, seems orbfest either doesnt care to be part of the bigger picture, or, they had no choice... lets hope its the latter.
i know a bunch of people that did both festivals a couple years ago, even though they are way spread out geographically.
good points jds
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GyPsynate
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 03:07
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I agree with a lot of that but...
We are talking about Orb and Gemini not Gian Mind though jds...
GMSF and Gemini have way more people who would have a hard time choosing between them as you said and we all went through last year, I was just talking about these particular events not every festival as a whole.
Also Witchdocta and Sharon (from Gaian Mind) had discused the events being on the same date when we brought him here to Denver for the 420 event last year, Due to the venue being booked-up, there was not another choice in the matter. It is differnt when promoters talk about it and let each other know that it is not in bad intentions just bad situations. This could have been the issue but from the docs post Id say ... no.
Id be willing to bet it is the same problem this year... The real issues with this is that no one from Orb had talked to anyone from Gemini about it being on the same date and as we all know the Doc had a bad thing happen to him and is tring to recover with this years festival. This is not the organizers of Orbs problem but it should hit home for them because we all can imagine going through that loss. Ouch!
jds you might be part of that 10%
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paradigm
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 03:32
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you all think i can say something about this with out offensive insults flung at me or my deceased mother?
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paradigm
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 03:51
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I am anyways....
Year in and year out the organizers of Orb Fest, have generally shown a disregard from the scene as a whole.
So this time around, it would be seen as quite the easy thing, to point the finger at them.
However, even after my own bad experiences and opinions of them I don't think that is the case this time.
I honestly think it is/was a question of venue availability.
They are using Bramblewood where GMSF was last year.
Shortly after Gemini was announced this year, we did hear words and speculation that if GMSF did happen in 2010, it would have been the same weekend again.
We all know, thats not something that would have been an intentional act by GMSF. That leads one to the conclusion of it again being related to the date of a venue being open.
With GMSF not happening, its a pretty easy leap of logic to assume, that Bramblewood then had a open date blocked out for an event.
Enter Orb fest, who grabbed that open (perhaps only) open date, perhaps even at a economical advantage to themselves, as the venue may have given them a better deal to not have the open date)
You can also see that Desiderata is also 2 weeks after Orbs date. You'd have to be rather dumb to cluster 2 large festivals like that, unless you had no choice. Especially with a org. as commercially minded as Orb is, it would make very little sense for their bottom line to be so close to another event.
Honestly giving them the benefit of the doubt leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but if you look at the evidence. It kinda paints a clear picture.
I do think that not contacting anybody at Gemini is bad form.... but that shouldn't surprise any of us.
Sharon at GMSF is a class act, Aladdin project is....?
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Lauryn
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 05:40
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Here on the east coast I'm definitely sure that it is a case of venue availability. Had Echo Lake Campground not been closed down, there is a good chance that orb may have happened there in July, as it did for the past three years.
Just out of curiosity I went back and read beginning of last year's thread for the Gaian Mind Festival at Ramblewood (http://forum.isratrance.com/gaian-mind-summer-festival-2009-06-11-14-2009-ramblewood-darlington-maryland-usa/), and its amazing how different the attitudes are here on isra when its Alladin Project and not Gaian Mind who has scheduled their event on the same date.
There is a very good chance that were Gaian Mind producing an event this year that it would have been on this same date- most likely not even Gaian Mind's first choice of dates (previous GM festivals always took place on the solstice weekend), but simply what was available to them at that time, and now, what is available to Orb.
Two years ago when Gemini and Gaian Mind were a weekend apart, I went to both and it was a lot of fun...last year I missed Gemini...and missed a few friends I always see at Gaian Mind every year as they had gone to Gemini, but that's just life...I don't think anyone needs to worry about a lack of attendence at either party. If Desiderata and Orb happened the same weekend, then ok, that might be a problem. But seriously, there's about 2400 miles between Gemini and Orb...festivals happen all the time on the same weekends in Europe in much closer proximity to one another and people go and dance and have a good time and I'm sure thats what will happen in this case. End of story.
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EG-BOT
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 06:18
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On 2010-02-27 05:40, Lauryn wrote:
But seriously, there's about 2400 miles between Gemini and Orb...festivals happen all the time on the same weekends in Europe in much closer proximity to one another and people go and dance and have a good time and I'm sure thats what will happen in this case. End of story.
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Seriously!
I'm a bit confused about most of these posts...
Paradigm...amazed by how you always have something to bitch about!(fucking hell!!!???)
Last year's tone was completely different when Gaian Mind announced the dates for gmsf 2009.
So how was the attendance last year at Gemini?
Any problems? The pictures looked like a bangin' party!
Colin...If the US and A is such a big country...why is it a problem if 2 parties are happening 2,400 miles apart from each other?
Personally I can't make it to Gemini because of work/lack of funds so I am glad if I choose to party I don't have to fly to fucking California to do so.
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Alakazam
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 07:39
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On 2010-02-27 05:40, Lauryn wrote:
Personally I can't make it to Gemini because of work/lack of funds so I am glad if I choose to party I don't have to fly to fucking California to do so.
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Alakazam
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 07:57
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East, East; Y'all! |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 21:00
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Orb is consistent in at least one respect: dependably entertaining threads on Isratrance year after year. You have to hand it to this crew--they sure know how to stir it up!
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paradigm
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 21:01
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Seriously!
""I'm a bit confused about most of these posts...
Paradigm...amazed by how you always have something to bitch about!(fucking hell!!!???) ""
This is what the hell i mean. You all are seriously out to argue with EVERYTHING i say, even if its positive.
I could say, "damn its a nice day out", and some person on here would call my mother a whore, and someone else would bitch at me, for the other person who called my mother a whore. This is just insane.
I was not bitching. I did not say anything negative. I played devils advocate here, and even gave Alladin the benefit of the doubt,and explained to all why things are they way they are.
I justified their actions, and yet you still try and throw rocks at me.
I said not a single thing bad of anyone. except of Alladin not contact Gemini to just say "hey heres a heads up".
Many of you, in the 2 pages of this thread have said far more negative things.
SERIOUSLY WTF
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so_sedated
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 21:24
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On 2010-02-27 21:00, Basilisk wrote:
Orb is consistent in at least one respect: dependably entertaining threads on Isratrance year after year. You have to hand it to this crew--they sure know how to stir it up!
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Agreed! As far as isra literature is concerned, I was thinking that the Orb announcement thread makes for an awesome prelude to the Orb complaint thread that's sure to follow the festival. |
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Alakazam
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Posted : Feb 28, 2010 02:28
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On 2010-02-27 05:40, Lauryn wrote:
Just out of curiosity I went back and read beginning of last year's thread for the Gaian Mind Festival at Ramblewood (http://forum.isratrance.com/gaian-mind-summer-festival-2009-06-11-14-2009-ramblewood-darlington-maryland-usa/), and its amazing how different the attitudes are here on isra when its Alladin Project and not Gaian Mind who has scheduled their event on the same date.
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I think the more critical attitude towards Alladin is warranted; wouldn't you say, Lauren?
Think about what you are comparing here...
You are comparing the response to a post for a GM produced event to the response to a post for an Alladin produced event.
Its like comparing apples to rotten oranges. |
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