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e11even
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 01:07
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On 2009-07-14 23:52, Alakazam wrote:
You seem bitter. Maybe something else happened inside of you last weekend to make you lash out in this way right after a festival.
I was hoping maybe people would not immediately begin posting the negative things until some of the good vibes have worn off for those of us who enjoyed it...
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On 2009-07-14 23:44, e11even wrote:
It is obvious this production company doesn't have the skills or competence to run a major event like this. When you have a thread with people complaining constantly its a sign that you have no idea what the hell your doing.
I vote for them to NEVER do Orb Festival again. Please just do us all a favor and make this year the last one.
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Yup your right dude. I am bitter. A shit ton of money wasted. Nothing happened inside me or whatever you are talking about. lol
But yea you must be deaf or something because that sound is still unacceptable. Sugar coat it all you want but that was my biggest issue. Not to mention the line ups and horrible train wrecking all weekend.
The highlight of my weekend was Shane Gobi.. THere u happy .. there is something positive!
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platypusmalone
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 01:30
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Wow, I can't believe anyone is defending the organizers at all. Allowing the community to be victimized like this is detrimental to EVERYONE regardless of whether you had fun or not.
Most people had fun, it was just a mess. The biggest psytrance event in the Northeast should not happen like Orb happens. The community needs to let them know that we aren't going to allow them to just take tons of money and not deliver on the promises they give.
Aladdin is good at getting acts together, they have proved this through other things they have organized. They cannot handle an event in the scope of Orb in terms of the attendees and services. Someone else needs to take the reins that knows how to do this.
I have been to many many festivals over the last 10 years (from electronic, to jam bands, to huge ones) and none of them were as disorganized and sketchy as this one. This starkly offensive swindling will really set back psytrance in this country, not the complaints. |
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Alakazam
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 02:22
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Well; I personally enjoyed the set you played, and I'm glad you came and played for us.
The others who were out there for your set, looked like they were enjoying themselves as well.
If I am not mistaken, this is the third edition of the Orb festival.
I hope everyone is not comparing the organization of Orb to the organization of Gemini or GMSF or Eclipse. Those festivals have been running much longer.
The amount of improvement that I saw; as compared to last year; is paramount, in my evaluation of this year's event.
I am not saying it was perfect. What I am trying to stress is that: I think the organizers were receptive to a lot of the suggestions that were made.
This festival is still evolving. Perhaps in a few more years, it will be the pinacle of East Coast festivals.
I think the organizers have love in their heart for the psychedelic trance scene in this country. I also think they made a genuine effort to take heed of the problems from the previous year and to try to improve on them.
Which festivals are you refering to that were totally perfect?
Gaian Mind is as close to perfect as it can get (organizationally and with the best vibes); but I think experience plays a key role in that.
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On 2009-07-15 01:07, e11even wrote:
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On 2009-07-14 23:52, Alakazam wrote:
You seem bitter. Maybe something else happened inside of you last weekend to make you lash out in this way right after a festival.
I was hoping maybe people would not immediately begin posting the negative things until some of the good vibes have worn off for those of us who enjoyed it...
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On 2009-07-14 23:44, e11even wrote:
It is obvious this production company doesn't have the skills or competence to run a major event like this. When you have a thread with people complaining constantly its a sign that you have no idea what the hell your doing.
I vote for them to NEVER do Orb Festival again. Please just do us all a favor and make this year the last one.
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Yup your right dude. I am bitter. A shit ton of money wasted. Nothing happened inside me or whatever you are talking about. lol
But yea you must be deaf or something because that sound is still unacceptable. Sugar coat it all you want but that was my biggest issue. Not to mention the line ups and horrible train wrecking all weekend.
The highlight of my weekend was Shane Gobi.. THere u happy .. there is something positive!
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vector_0
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 02:26
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On 2009-07-15 00:20, @ktif wrote:
Yeah, what is up with this...It's like ppl have vandetta against the Org...
Yeah the effin subs were out of phase because they didn't have them in an array setup but so what?! All you had to live with is a small sounding "thwack"...After about an hour your ears adjust to it and you don't even notice it. That is unless that is all you can dwell on, the negativity...tsk tsk tsk....Your problem I say. Sorry.
I honestly feel sorry for all you people who think the world is ending just because you didn't get your way 110%. IT"S LIFE. Look, shit is going to go wrong or not your way at a festival. It's your attitude that can make it good or bad.
Frankly a lot of your attitudes SUCK! I played there, asked for a meal plan on several occasions and was told I had one for free...That was not the case when I tried to get one, got told to basically go away without ticket...I had to purchase one....Did that ruin my time....NOOOOOOO....I ate DELISH falafel and potato burritoes all weekend...wtf is wrong with that...Yes to all that got scammed with the meal plan, I am sorry...that sucks. But it happens, next time you'll know to COME PREPARED!!!!
Ok the toilets were filty. Shame on the org for not cleaning that...But to kind of of set that there were Hand washing stations everywhere, which was awesome to see…
But to say the BIGGEST thing that sucked for me. Is the piss poor djing of some of the performers. WTF was that. I was under the impression that this is the BEST OF THE BEST here and nothing else…I heard sooooo many djs that were effing AMATURE at mixing. Most of Thursday and Friday it was bad. I was shocked by this. No names to be mentioned but seriously, you know who you are…You saw me shaking my head when you were looking around mid mix like “Damn I hope they don’t notice this trainwreck real quick”….and you just looked around like you don’t know what happened. PRACTICE PEOPLE. This is Orb, I brought my A game and gave myself 2 gold stars for absolutly ripping shit up….I hope the other djs start practicing, because until you get mixing right, your not a dj, just a hack. My list of people to bring out got real short after listening to some of the mixing. Call it what you want to call it, you sounded like shit, you know who you are. You looked like your ok with that…Well I am not, that doesn’t fly in my book, if you don’t know fundamentals of DJING get the hell off the stage and quit making me cringe with your mixing. I can’t believe more people don’t find this unacceptable. ANY THOUGHTS??????
This was the best festival EVER for me. My attitude was extrastellar, I was there to have the time of my life and job well done. I did it. It’s like some people can’t see the positive. Yeah the line was off by couple hours, but ASK SOMEONE if you are confused….we are all family, no one will bite your head off for asking questions! I was given to opportunity to see the most auspicious and sought after artists in the Global Trance scene…THEY ROCKED. THANK YOU X 100000 for this!
I will leave you with this…ALWAYS come prepared to a festival, for anything. Then you will be like Ascention, my friend Andy or myself at the end of it all…You will have had the time of your life.
Thanks once again, I look forward to many more. Hit me up next year and I will be HAPPY to rip reality up for you guys once again. Seriously and if you want some super duper performers, that know technically what the hell is up, LOOK TO THE MIDWEST, you are going to be surprised what you find.
This festival KICKED ASS!!!
Zzzing!!! See you SOON!
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Man, I kinda feel what you're saying because I also had a kick ass time, but I think your attitude of giving the Organizers a free pass to exploit & endanger the trance community as a whole just because you had a good time is even worse then the all the things we've complained about. Maybe I'm just spoiled from attending Eclipse Festival so many times, but it is OUR responsibility to maintain reasonable standards and not allow the precedent to be set for piss-poor organizations. If we were all making posts like yours, it would add even more to the notion that since trancers are easy-going, positive, and nice people you can scam til your heart's content and they'll keep coming back year after year.
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Alakazam
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 02:51
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I think this might be a life lesson for you...
Don't expect every food you buy to be delicious. How many times have you tried out a new restaurant and decided that it really sucked.
For the amount of money your group spent, you could have bought a portable grill and whatever groceries that met your fancy; and feasted every day.
Or whatever happened to cooking over the fire?
I guess sometimes people get too lazy or tripped out to cook for yourself; but if so, you are missing some amount of the fun...
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My party in particular paid almost $300 with the expectation that we would be fed the meals we were promised throughout the weekend, and Orb Festival did not deliver on their end. We would have came prepared to eat for four days if the meal plan wasn't an option and we knew we would have to rely on ourselves for food-we chose to pay $73 each to eat for the weekend because they made it an option. The only thing they have to do to fix this problem? Not offer the meal plans, and people would come prepared and not complain that they didn't get fed.
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rewarpster
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 03:06
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I managed to read several opinions here in this topic, and decided to verbalize some of my emotions.
The festival was a blast!
As compared to Gaian Mind - better line up.
Positive emotions:
Great music, unforgettable line up, acts like Atmos, Shane Gobi, Hallucinogen, Zen Mechanics, Liquid Soul, Shpongle just blew my head off!
Great crowd! Never saw anyone who was drunk or intoxicated to an enormous extent.
Great weather! It almost didn't rain, but a little raining was even ok to keep it cool you know 
I liked the sound systems at both stages, they were loud enough, however the one at the main stage seemed a little bad with reproducing the highs. 4 turbo sound speakers at the main stage kicked ass!
Negative emotions:
Meal plan was a waste of money.
Muddy roads and muddy dancefloors. Maia stage was completely a mess by the end of the festival. Lack of hay?
Unclean bathrooms
Atmos (one of my favorite acts!!) played at 6-30 pm which was a little strange (no people at the dancefloor whatsoever, have respect to the artist!!)
Friday night was deeply progressive at the beginning, which sounded strange.
Lack of people overall. Seems that the place had much more capacity, and that resulted in lack of people on the Maia dancefloor.
Overall experience:
Totally positive!! Looking forward to the next festivals. Guys (organizers), right on!!
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 03:14
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On 2009-07-15 02:51, Alakazam wrote:
For the amount of money your group spent, you could have bought a portable grill and whatever groceries that met your fancy; and feasted every day.
Or whatever happened to cooking over the fire?
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I've never been to that areas or to this festival so I can't say for certain what possibilities there are, but...
Some people travel a long way and are at the mercy of their transportation or other circumstances and can't always stop at the store on the way there. For example, one of the GMSF's I went to some years ago involved me flying into Dulles in DC and hitchhiking the rest of the way there late into the night. Bringing a weekend's worth of groceries and cook items in addition to my camping gear and clothes wasn't feasible for me. Fortunately the meal plan/food vendors at the GMSF that year were awesome and saved my life. Just trying to offer another perspective to the whole importance of meal plans issue.
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Alakazam
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 03:35
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$72 for a meal plan; divided by a four day party is $18 per day...
$18 per day is two big meals or three small meals; from a vendor.
That should be enough right? I personally skip a few meals during the duration for certain reasons...
Maybe those who bought the meal plan, will plan otherwise next time?.....
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On 2009-07-15 03:14, Axis Mundi wrote:
I've never been to that areas or to this festival so I can't say for certain what possibilities there are, but...
Some people travel a long way and are at the mercy of their transportation or other circumstances and can't always stop at the store on the way there. For example, one of the GMSF's I went to some years ago involved me flying into Dulles in DC and hitchhiking the rest of the way there late into the night. Bringing a weekend's worth of groceries and cook items in addition to my camping gear and clothes wasn't feasible for me. Fortunately the meal plan/food vendors at the GMSF that year were awesome and saved my life. Just trying to offer another perspective to the whole importance of meal plans issue.
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Lauryn
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 03:51
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gordon ramsay what were you doing purchasing a meal plan????? Orgz take note - have this guy cooking the food and charge $73 for the meal plan next year and all will be good.
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On 2009-07-15 01:07, gordonramsay wrote:
Perhaps those of us who purchased the meal plans WOULD HAVE arrived prepared with food for the weekend if we hadn't paid $73 for each member of our party to be able to eat. We arrived prepared with the expectation that the meal plan would begin on Friday morning, and thus only came prepared with enough food for Thursday night. The festival's lack of coming through on the meal plans has nothing to do with "good vibes", it is poor organization on their part. My party in particular paid almost $300 with the expectation that we would be fed the meals we were promised throughout the weekend, and Orb Festival did not deliver on their end. We would have came prepared to eat for four days if the meal plan wasn't an option and we knew we would have to rely on ourselves for food-we chose to pay $73 each to eat for the weekend because they made it an option. The only thing they have to do to fix this problem? Not offer the meal plans, and people would come prepared and not complain that they didn't get fed.
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platypusmalone
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 03:53
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On 2009-07-15 03:35, Alakazam wrote:
$72 for a meal plan; divided by a four day party is $18 per day...
$18 per day is two big meals or three small meals; from a vendor.
That should be enough right? I personally skip a few meals during the duration for certain reasons...
Maybe those who bought the meal plan, will plan otherwise next time?.....
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Well it was divided by 3 days, a total of 6 meals (check back on page 7). Also a whole bunch of supposed options veg/non veg.
Yeah maybe next time we'll bring a bigger vehicle and food and everything, but where did all that money for the food go? I have to assume someones pockets, because I know from a catering angle 73/6 should easily feed that many people, especially if you are not worried about quality or presentation.
All it comes down to I think is to be upfront about stuff. It seems like they were using the meal plans/parking passes/cabins as money makers instead of standard operation kinds of things. |
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gordonramsay
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 03:58
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On 2009-07-15 02:51, Alakazam wrote:
I think this might be a life lesson for you...
Don't expect every food you buy to be delicious. How many times have you tried out a new restaurant and decided that it really sucked.
For the amount of money your group spent, you could have bought a portable grill and whatever groceries that met your fancy; and feasted every day.
Or whatever happened to cooking over the fire?
I guess sometimes people get too lazy or tripped out to cook for yourself; but if so, you are missing some amount of the fun...
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Okay, I totally get what you're saying about buying groceries and cooking, which is totally fine. I am all about that, and have no problem with doing it, and definitely would have been 100% open to doing that if they didn't offer the meal plans to us.
However, they offered the meal plans. For $73 we were supposed to get 6 meals. B/D on Friday. B/L/D on Saturday, and Brunch on Sunday. There wasn't even a schedule in the meal plan area to tell us when there would be food, and every time we went over to ask we were told there would be food "later". The only time we ended up finding food there was the time we hovered around the area for an hour.
And the comment you made on the food being delicious...it's not about that at all. I would've been happy with a PB&J or a bagel or some pieces of fruit, as long as we were fed anything in general to keep us from being hungry. It wasn't that the food we got was garbage, it was that there wasn't anything to eat at all. |
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acidity
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 07:06
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After not being in the party and by just reading the comments, my thoughts. And this comes from somebody who has actually seen the worst part of organizing a party.
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Please dont compare apples to oranges. Restaurants run every year and you dont depend 3 days on it.
Also if you read up the comments more closely, you will see the issue was not with the quality of food. It was even the quantity. You know that were will be hundreds of people in not so suitable condition and they cannot be hungry.
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This is a 3 day festival with multiple headliners for petes sake. Not only people come from your state but from all over the country. Heck, if I come from San Diego, I will not get grill etc. (or if I am sharing a ride).
This goes for camping too. When I paid for the cabin, I expect to stay. And this happnened not only to normal goers but to artists also. So no excuse.
Moreoever you dont need 3 yrs of party experience to justify messing up lineup. Anybody who parties or listens to music knows what music goes where. Atleast somebody who is even attempting to organize a party knows that.
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Alakazam
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 07:39
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On 2009-07-15 07:06, acidity wrote:
Also if you read up the comments more closely, you will see the issue was not with the quality of food. It was even the quantity. You know that were will be hundreds of people in not so suitable condition and they cannot be hungry.
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Moreoever you dont need 3 yrs of party experience to justify messing up lineup. Anybody who parties or listens to music knows what music goes where. Atleast somebody who is even attempting to organize a party knows that.
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Okay...
I don't want to start a heated debate here with me protecting Alladin...
I don't really know the guys.
The only reason I have such a positive attitude about things is because I apreciate the way that they accepted suggestions and made things better.
But as far as the food goes...
Even if travelling from a distance, you can buy some cans of tuna, PB&J, and a loaf of bread or a pack of tortillas for emergency sustainance. That stuff doesn't take up much room and normally can be purchased along the way without much inconvenience to your ride.
The money you save from not purchasing the meal plan can be spent on food from independent vendors if they are available (which they were at Orb).
If it comes down to it; I'm sure your fellow trancers could spare a couple of bites of food for a hungry soul. Especially if you have a couple bucks or something to trade, to contribute.
I can't remember a single time when I have been at a festival and not shared my food with a hungry neighbor or a needy trancer.
Maybe it is just my preference to try to provide my own food if possible; as opposed to buying a meal plan.
Just IMHO.
Btw, if you look who started this suggestion thread; maybe you will realize that it must have been a better festival than last year.
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Posted : Jul 15, 2009 07:54
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Ha ha.
I bet u are Cooper! 
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Never saw anyone who was drunk or intoxicated to an enormous extent.
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What the fuck is wrong with people being drunk?
I'm tired of all the alcohol-hating I hear at trance parties.
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