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Tomos
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 04:17
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I've got a good track almost finished, but I've cleaned up the kick and bass and they have lost some low end. I tried EQ but I'm preferring Rbass in this instance..
My current solution is to send the kick and bass to a group and stick an Rbass on at about -10 intensity, my aural instinct is to set the frequency to 50hz.
I'm using the plugin on a group because I believe it would help 'glue' the kick+bass together with a similar sound.
I tried moving between 50-80hz and doing a/b comparisons. I like the sound, but my monitors aren't good enough to really decide on the best position.
I guess my question is..
The track is written in C, so should I immediately stick the frequency as close to 65.41 (ie, the frequency of C)
Or move it to where the punch is (~60hz)
Or get some low end subs (<60hz)
I understand every sound is subjective, and different but I want some opinions on how you'd approach it. Or even whether you'd use Rbass at all?
(You may have noticed from my other recent topic I'm experimenting heavily with tuning sounds in a continuing effort to better my sound) |
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Meta
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 05:15
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I love RBass and rarely have a bassline without it, but I wouldn't suggest pushing both the kick and bass through it- At least not with the same settings.
Your 'similar sound' idea... well... they aren't going to be made similar by having rBass boost the same frequencies by the same amount.
You're generally on the right track with paying attention to the frequencies vs. key the song is in etc, but it all comes back to the same old chesnut - what sounds good is what sounds good. If your monitors aren't good enough to judge, I wouldn't do too much radical experimentation.
Especially with bass - you could be putting a huge boost in a really low frequency that will suddenly shake the rafters once you finally play it with a sub.
Try it out at a friends house that has a subwoofer, or if you have a friend with a car stereo with a sub, that's a good test too.
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 05:31
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RBass is cool...
Tomos, i usually use it with intensity below -12 or -14
sometimes i even set it to -24.. but there is serious acoustic diffirence 
imo RBass adds bass freqs using a pretty interesting curve to love sometimes...
so, if you notice bass freqs missing, i suggest you may trust RBass..
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 06:12
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i dont know the kick and bass u use so its useless anywayz (post the sample so we can play with eq and rbass and give u goood answer)
if u use the ones i happen to use today
i set the kick with eq boosting 50hz good 3db
and bass can be with rbass on 80hz
or the kick get the 100hz and bass 60hz
but it matter of what u put it on
btw for "glue" i rather multiband compressor in the mastering to make that , some werid eq or filter on the group www.sattelbattle.com
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Tomos
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 11:51
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I have been checking with the sub in my car, but its not ideal having to go for a drive just to check what difference a minor change makes.
I'm upgrading my monitors next week, but I thought asking for opinions was still valid. So hopefully eventually I will be able to hear whats going on down there.
Heres a dry sample anyway without any bass boosty plugs
http://download.yousendit.com/6AEC77756A5AB96A |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 12:35
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I dont really like rbass and maxxbass...I rather recommend crysonic newb 
sounds much better imo!
its like a guitar amp where you can also adjust the harmonics to a guitar key (its just 6 keys, but sometimes its also nice to have the harmonics on the sub/dominant or so imo), and also the main boost frequency wise
eagerly waiting that they finish the mac version of it and the other plugs  crysonic rocks!
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 13:09
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- 10 is a lot ,for my bassline it was too much ,when i used it was at -24 and frequency around 50 hz |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 13:28
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I forgot to add that I would always do seperate fx for kick and bass...maybe just a really tiny eq on a group!
except for fx in breaks or something like that
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makus
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 13:31
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I recomend to try pu Voxengo AF TapeBus (insted of Rbass), it gives nice bass coloration however its not possible to use it always. Also I agree that putting Rbass on both kick and bass is a good idea.
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 13:44
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Hmm.. in my opinion -10 is a hell of a lot. You're not supposed to clearly hear what Rbass does because if you do it'll probably not sound good...
Personally I tend to go for eq, but for adding some roundness it can be nice. Domestic (guy has good production) wrote a post a while ago here on bass, and said he used it sometimes for adding warmth and roundness, and usually set the meter at -20 to -22 or so if I remember right.
If you lack so much low end that a little notch eq (or distortion maybe) can't do the trick then maybe you should revisit the synth patch instead. I'm gonna have a listen when I come home from work! |
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 18:13
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Right, so I had a listen and I don't think this is an rbass or not question at all. I think bass boosters should be used with care for slight coloration but nothing more.
Your bassline lacks a bit in the low end on my monitors, but you don't necessarily need to change much in the bass. Rather I feel that the kick isn't quite right - together they don't quite hit that fundamental that gives powerful drive. Its not bad, not at all, but I think a different kick might fit better and also give the required low end....
Its hard to give advice like this without sounding like a jerk because you were asking about rbass but anyway thats my tip. I struggled for the longest time working my on bass without a clue about the enormous impact the kick has on it and I'm still improving my sound every day (almost)
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Tomos
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 18:47
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No it's cool, I agree. I took the mix round to a friends studio with better monitors and the kick sounds like a lame click. I really need some better kicks.. perhaps I'll be able to make them and actually hear what I'm doing when I get my new monitors. |
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Nov 15, 2007 23:33
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Good kicks are hard to find, sample cd ones tend to suck (for psytrance).
Try and get a hold of Bazzism.. nice little plug that makes pretty decent kicks...or do it the infected way. Actually its the same I believe, just that Bazzism does all the boring stuff for you |
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Tomos
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Posted : Nov 16, 2007 03:18
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I bought Bazzism, I'm pretty useless with it. I don't like the sound of the kicks it makes (or rather, I make)
Other than EQ, and Rbass - I tried a quadrafuzz on a kick and it sounded really good if you pull down the bands that cause audible distortion.
Anything else to stick on kicks?
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Nov 16, 2007 10:37
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Using Rbass on kicks doesn't seem intuitive to me...I pretty much only EQ them...never tried distortion on kicks but I heard some people get good results.
Usually what I try to do is use a sampler like Battery and layer kicks. Simply play at the same time, some kick that has a nice low end and maybe another with a clearly defined click.
Then mess around with each of the envelopes and volume faders until they merge nicely and you'll end up with a kick that packs a punch across the whole frequency range.
But again.. there is no recipe - sometimes a weak kick is great, if you have a super fat bass. In your case here though the bass was rather plucky and high-freq which means you need a kick with a lot of bottom
I've been thinking about getting new monitors too. They're totally ok for home production, but better ones would be sweet At the end of the day you don't stand a fair chance to hear whats going on without good ones. I think I could've shaved a year off of my learning curve if I had realized the importance of being able to reference my sound correctly. Wasted sooo much time tweaking shit for various speakers only to find out that it sucked when played on a good system...
Anyway good luck man, hope it can help.. bOm! |
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