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Posted : Jul 4, 2006 15:21
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Rui Ferreira
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Posted : Jul 4, 2006 17:10
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yeah, unfortunatly the world is full of politricks and assholes everywhere, and i realised that most of the scene are polluted with this kind of gready ignorant and stupid people who wants to blow their heads off with sex, drugs and rock and roll, using the hard work and talent of the artists, and not recognizing it... and that is just a small portion of this sad reallity...
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John
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Posted : Jul 4, 2006 18:57
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I think its got more to do with the development of the scene over the last decade & the inevitable stagnation of certain aspects - which happens with *every* music scene - its just the natural evolution of long running scenes.
But as ever - if nobody is giving you a gig or releasing your tunes for good, bad or indifferent reaons, or you feel festivals are becoming a clique-ey love in of big labels playing ever more generic music - then organise your own with like minded people... |
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Bom*shankar
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Posted : Jul 4, 2006 18:57
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some valid points there. However, I don't really get his story with the festival booking- why didn't he make a contract with exactly all details?
it's nice to make this discussion, but also it sounds a bit like whining to me, this wole thing- this is the world, what, he sudenly awake from his feiry world to find out its humans in the trance scene?
but maybe something positive will come out of talking about this.
As for chillout- i agree that there is too much upbeat stuff in chillout sometimes- but it can also be nice every now and then.
In soulclipse i didn't like the shpongle set in the chillout- I thought it should have been in main stage- I really wanted to chill out and it turned into a dance stage.
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jul 6, 2006 11:08
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On 2006-07-04 18:57, Bom*shankar wrote:
As for chillout- i agree that there is too much upbeat stuff in chillout sometimes
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Balance, it's all about balance...I hate to see a chill-out half empty and the other half snorting and dribbling.
Me personally...I start my sets from 90bpm 'til 135 bpm...gradually of course.
Nobody ever complained 
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Trip-
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Posted : Jul 6, 2006 12:46
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I think this issue have been excavated countless times - and it comes back to a few simple answers:
Labels wouldn't do this or that, if it wasn't bringing them good steady income.
Organizers wouldn't do this or that, if it wasn't bringing them good income from the event.
The current "algorithm" works. And it will continue working as long as it is working... If something was fundamentally wrong, it wouldn't survive much.
Yes, the broad audience is porbably enjoying the quanitity and not the quality - and I'm sure the artists do not. I don't think it's possible to change the situation just by making the labels release good music. They might loose money, loose audience - and they are undoubtfully "scared" - money is the important motivator in any business.
Kristian is a nice and a smart guy, and i'm sure he understands what's going on - but he didn't suggest a way to change this, and I personally don't see the way myself. The fundamentals at the moment are working - and things keep 'living'. chaos to order.
On top of all, this is a rather offtopic in the section.
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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randulon
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Posted : Jul 6, 2006 15:41
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i think he, kristian, has hit the nail on the head...i dj in chillouts at various festivals and only ever get travel expenses and free food and drink, but i'm happy with that as i generally get a free holiday and free entrance to a nice party. so it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. but i do have a real gripe with promoters attitudes towards chillouts, i recently played at the freaky dragons festival in spain...which i really enjoyed for the first couple of days, not to hot, nice organic decor, lovely people BUT on the last 3 nights the chillout, at night, was turned into a second trance stage!!!!! til 10 o'clock in the morning!!!!!! maybe if it had been nice proggy or just vaguely ineteresting, different trance it wouldn't have been so bad but it was just dark teenage angst crap mainly and as that was also on the mainstage, ie: dark horror trance, it compounded the nightmare more so. Thus my memoriesof freaky dragons were severely tainted and i could not wait to get away from it...now i like getting as fucked up as the next guy but not to the point where i can only bear to listen to music with a 4/4 kick drum going no less than 145 bpm...wtf is that all about? i was tempted at one point to hold a one man demonstration outside the chillout, with placards "no to trance" etc., but i thought that might spoil other peoples fun and be rude to the djs playing...anyway, rant over. transmission terminated. |
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Bom*shankar
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Posted : Jul 6, 2006 18:37
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On 2006-07-06 11:08, Justin Chaos wrote:
Nobody ever complained
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I didn't complain about shpongle too. I just went away to sit by the river away from the music. But I did want music- chilling music.
I agree it's a matter of balance, though. |
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jul 6, 2006 20:59
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I agree it's a matter of balance, though.
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Like, pretty much, everything in this life mate
PS:Hiii, Philipp&Tom!!!
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m4th
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Posted : Jul 19, 2006 01:25
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Hi, definettly I think the show is over, the spirit gone and the psychedelia dies some years ago. for me, I was unpluged 2 years and now when I started to look for new music (trance and chill ) I donīt like anything. a lot copy/paste music in chill and the trance, lost the psychedelic touch, I miss the slicer efecct and flange. the trance is imposible to follow in normal conditions ...really a lot of people making bad music and the god musicians, where are?.
I started the psy-scene in barcelona and spain. a lot of work for nothing. at the end the psy thouch is lost.
I canīt speak about big festivals becouse I never been in one. (excep ,transit and sunrite) but I think the psychedelia has become in a big big busines and the spirit has trance-formed in money.
with this words I donīt want to say " Idonīt like anything" but I miss the spirit of the begin. when a lot things happens for casuality and after a party you can see the face of one guy just discovered the psy music, and her life was changed.
Í donīt know the way to change all elysium wants to changed but talk about this is one way for find the answer.
from the beguin the chill out was considerated for the party arganizers like a second category place, the place on put the djs was learning,the chill out was "the problem" becouse noone wants to play there becouse no too much peōple was listening.
think about this: the chill out is another sound sistem another generator, more deco ..... only somepeople can build a good chill pleace. from the begin we are considerated from a second category and now whene the humantouch is needed a lot of people is tired and donīt want to fight, I just enjoy of this amazing music in my house.
sorry if you donīt understand something or I donīt know write very well but this is my history and the history was hapend here in barcelona
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