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Only with HW you can do that! (flashback topic)
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 12:49:36
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Yo folks!
Do you remember those old times where on every question like 'how to make psy bassline' 'how to make this lead' the answer was 'you must have a virus/nord lead/another hw synth'?
Just want to open this topic because i am wake up right now and i see that now those answers just gone.
Now we live in world where you can make whole track only with computer and making psy bassline is possible without hardware synth  - i remember times when people said it would never be possible!
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 13:41
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Well you still can't but you can make different sounding basslines than the hardware ones. Its just that software has evolved a lot since those days and has its place in mixes as it offers a different palette that is just as usable.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 13:44
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Oh yeah how true. And many known producers that had all the analog goodies for decades got rid off these and go with professional sound completely done in computers for future.
Example : Boris Blank (one of pioneers of electronic music that got even popular)
I don't believe that analog hardware is anyhow better. Only if you want that sound and want to keep your hands on knobs- than its better.
Stuff and sound you can achieve with even the old absynth, reaktor or even Sculpture is not possible with analog parts.
Imo it is a good smile worth to hear it again and again that analog is better.But that is really just my opinion. Respect to other opinions taste is subjective and if someone claims analog is incredebliy great it is fair.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 13:54
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 15:43
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imo these answer were more about placebo / lack of experience with plugins coming from hardware user.
or hardware user looking for exaclty the same sound as their hardware enhce beeing disapointed by software..each synth is different.
i have been part of these user for some years.. trying to replace hard with soft for the same sound.. but there is no muhc point.. if u want the sound of a specific synth hard or soft the best thing is to get it and be 100% happy |
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snowdogg
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 20:32
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what about hardware digital vs software digital?
there cant be much of a difference now!?, so is it just a case of companies like access,nord etc having "secret" algorithms? unlike those available for vst??
the only argument i can see for hw digital is that it has a dedicated CPU (understandably good for computers 10 years ago) but today a cheap intel chip does everything..
i also understand the argument for hw digital having "physical control via knos/sliders"but the virus is full of menus! making it somewhere in-between.. |
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snowdogg
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 20:33
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^should have maby made a new thread for this. |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 02:03
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it come downs to the guys who make it, not if it s hard or soft. maybe hardware companie like clavia and access ,eventide,lexicon ect could use the service of guys with lot of experience in analog circuit and dsp ,there was probably more money involved and spent into research too ... dunno but that may explain why some guys 15/20 years ago made brillant stuff than plugin developer still have a hard time to emulate today even if its the same technologie
technically i think only difference is that hardware can have color from the converter that can be pleasant maybe.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 02:34
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 03:02
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 03:32
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not long ago? it seems like was maybe 10/12 years ago if not more to me, when softwares was new
but my memorie is bad . |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 03:45
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 06:14
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On 2013-01-27 13:44, TimeTraveller wrote:
Oh yeah how true. And many known producers that had all the analog goodies for decades got rid off these and go with professional sound completely done in computers for future.
Example : Boris Blank (one of pioneers of electronic music that got even popular)
I don't believe that analog hardware is anyhow better. Only if you want that sound and want to keep your hands on knobs- than its better.
Stuff and sound you can achieve with even the old absynth, reaktor or even Sculpture is not possible with analog parts.
Imo it is a good smile worth to hear it again and again that analog is better.But that is really just my opinion. Respect to other opinions taste is subjective and if someone claims analog is incredebliy great it is fair.
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Its not a matter of which is better anymore. Software has evolved a lot in the last 10 years.
Analog synths have their sound.
Digital (hardware synths) have their sound.
Softare synths have their sound.
Depending on what kind of style/sound each person is going for, s/he might be inclined to go for type of synth, more than the other. That does not make one type of synth "universally" better than another type of synth.
Its all down to what you prefer using. Analog, hardware digital, software synths, they all have their strengths, what is important is to identify their respective strengths and use them for that reason.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 08:09
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On 2013-01-28 06:14, Nectarios wrote:
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On 2013-01-27 13:44, TimeTraveller wrote:
Oh yeah how true. And many known producers that had all the analog goodies for decades got rid off these and go with professional sound completely done in computers for future.
Example : Boris Blank (one of pioneers of electronic music that got even popular)
I don't believe that analog hardware is anyhow better. Only if you want that sound and want to keep your hands on knobs- than its better.
Stuff and sound you can achieve with even the old absynth, reaktor or even Sculpture is not possible with analog parts.
Imo it is a good smile worth to hear it again and again that analog is better.But that is really just my opinion. Respect to other opinions taste is subjective and if someone claims analog is incredebliy great it is fair.
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Its not a matter of which is better anymore. Software has evolved a lot in the last 10 years.
Analog synths have their sound.
Digital (hardware synths) have their sound.
Softare synths have their sound.
Depending on what kind of style/sound each person is going for, s/he might be inclined to go for type of synth, more than the other. That does not make one type of synth "universally" better than another type of synth.
Its all down to what you prefer using. Analog, hardware digital, software synths, they all have their strengths, what is important is to identify their respective strengths and use them for that reason.
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I agree with you. Didn't ment to say hardware is not as good as software. Your sound is great example how pro a mix of both worlds can be.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 05:41
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Although, I was also one of them hardware analog junkies that thought that you could not make banging music, using software alone and I am glad I am proven wrong.
There are things that you can do with software, that you could not even dream of doing on analog synths.
And then again, I've discarded of my blind love for analog sound and it being the ultimate best... for psy-trance music at least.
I have even replaced a BPF since saw lead from my mate's Doepfer modular, with the same basic patch on my Nord Lead one. It just sat better in the part of the mix where I had already many analog patches from the Phatty running through my Moogerfoogers.
Synths are just tools, the important thing is using the right tools for the right part...and that could even mean that teh cheap Nord Lead 1, will sound better at some specific task, than a much more expensive, analog modular.
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sorry, for me it's sick to roll this idiotic war again 