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One more comparison of analog summing devices
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 20, 2007 12:10
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 21, 2007 18:01
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I wonder which one you prefered.
I just did a blind test on my bedroom speakers... they are very small from a sony cubic hifi system....
I just blindly picked the worst and the best.
Worst: Pro Tools
Best: Neve, TubeTech
I wished they had other DAWs in the test as well. I really find protools sounding obviously worse than the rest, even on my shitty bedroom speakers.
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 21, 2007 23:25
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thanks subconsciousmind ,i don t like Pro Tools interner Mix,Dangerous Minds 2-Bus,Tube-Tech SSA 2B ,Audient Sumo ,i like the others and maybe Dangerous Minds 2-Bus LT the best (B wav).maybe with a other track the result can be different. |
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 18:06
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i really like the depth and stereo these things add do the sound ,must be good to start a track using one but it s a bit expensive.
the mix without using a summing box must be the protools bounce?(but we don t know what converters have been used)it s really sounding "digital" and the other more "analog" to me. |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 19:08
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I believe the "pro tools" mix is just the bounce from proTools..
We don't know which converters, but assumeing the protools mix hasn't been sent in stereo to analog and back (just to have ADDA as in the other examples), it would mean, that the summing devices sound better even though there is ADDA conversion involved.
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 19:32
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The usual reason for people preferring one mix over another is because it is louder so based on the comments I guessed that the ProTools mix was softer than all the others. So I loaded all the files in SoundForge and checked the statistics. Low and behold, the one that was the softest both peak and RMS (and looked the softest visually) was the ProTools mix.
This test is bogus and the people that made it either don't know what they are doing or were out to show that analogue summing is better.
Summing boxes = a huge con.
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 19:36
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its exacly same like once we had test some compressor , turned out the c1 works most accurate mathematicly... but offcourse the analog one was 10 db louder and fully distorted (it was sine wav that actualy turned square with the analog shite) and this tried to proove its better then vst..
still not underestimate the quality of real good analog outboards
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 20:21
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intresting undertow ,i dont have the files anymore to check but for me the protools sample was thin and harsh ,i doubt it was cause of the loudness but maybe you re right. |
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Psytracked
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Posted : Oct 23, 2007 03:39
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The Neves sample stuck out like a sore thumb for me on loudness. I loved the high hat detail on the SM and the bass really was sublime on the tubetech.
What converters were used for the tests? I am presuming protools hardware.
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Seppa
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Posted : Oct 23, 2007 11:48
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the links don't work for me
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 23, 2007 17:14
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@seppa, the links work if you copy them in the adressbar..
@undetow, you are right the levels are not well mached. This is what made me pick the neve on the bad speakers.
I level matched all the files (RMS) and did some blind tests again. now the neve doesn't sound impressive at all.
Still, You may call summing boxes a con, but I say if you don't hear the (in my ears positive) change compared to protools of the dangerous minds 2bus, the tube tech and the tegeler then you really do something wrong.
level mached, sonicaly the Dangerousminds 2bus sticks out "obviously". Don't you hear that? Why should that be a con?
Or, Listen to the snare in D and to the snare in K or J... you hear more of the room in D which makes the snare sound a little more "brute".
Sure, its a matter of choice if you like it or not, especially the tube devices actualy distort the signal.. but for me I certainly love the sound of the mentioned above over the protools sound which I find kind of dull unless I lift the rms 1db above the others.
Don't get me wrong. the differences I hear are not that big and I can hear no, or only slight, maybe visionary differences between the unmentioned devices. But the mentioned boxes surly do something to the mix which for some might be worth the money. (not for me so far  )
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