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Once And For All... WAV Vs MP3
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Ascension
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 16:22
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On 2009-09-10 15:53, subconsciousmind wrote:
I bet you have no clue! (I haven't) Cause you are so far mainly talking tech but that doesn't apply in real life. Almost noone can tell a 320 kbps file apart from a wav. so why should anyone care? 
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Because there are a bunch of purists in this scene that can't separate ideology from reality? I think 320kbps mp3 and wav sound the same, but when people see .mp3 at the end of a file they automatically assume it's lower quality than a wav.
In the end, what does it matter beyond saving hard drive space saving files as .mp3 instead of wav?
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 16:46
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On 2009-09-10 16:22, Ascension wrote:
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On 2009-09-10 15:53, subconsciousmind wrote:
I bet you have no clue! (I haven't) Cause you are so far mainly talking tech but that doesn't apply in real life. Almost noone can tell a 320 kbps file apart from a wav. so why should anyone care?
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Because there are a bunch of purists in this scene that can't separate ideology from reality? I think 320kbps mp3 and wav sound the same, but when people see .mp3 at the end of a file they automatically assume it's lower quality than a wav.
In the end, what does it matter beyond saving hard drive space saving files as .mp3 instead of wav?
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good point. for me really its about the space. expecially on the road with mp3 players laptops and such, where I listen to it mostly. its 4 times more space, that not little.. easily 0.6GB per CD..
But generally I just don't like it if people are talking about stuff like mp3 vs- wav all the time but never leave the theoretical level.. 
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Ascension
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 17:06
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Totally agree. I hate when people are like "I only play wavs" or "I only give out wavs cause I don't want djs playing mp3s". It's like people who talk about how much purchased music they play...
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Sep 18, 2009 12:26
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Almost noone can tell a 320 kbps file apart from a wav. so why should anyone care?
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one file, two different resolutions and i bet some people hear that shit. at least i do pretty often and i dont enjoy that mp3 shit. i dont play it out of exactly the reasons zork mentioned, most people are able to hear the difference on big and good soundsystem. but maybe this differes opinion here....
anyway it not only depends on the resolution than much more stuff like mastering, the mind behind and sure the one listening and the soundsystem. if u cant, pls dont say others cant too
this is just not true.
anyway youre right telling most people are not able to hear that. MOST!!!!
we all destroy our feeling and ears for things like that by listening mp3 and gettin used to it. i dont listen mp3, i dont play it. i did for long time until i found for me exactly this. u will hear no difference as long youre gettin more and more used to it.
another thing is pretty simple, one file like 70mb size, the compressed one in high resolution only about 16mb, dont know exactly now, just for example..... one tries to tell me now theres no possibility to hear any difference??
sorry, i dont agree.... but i can get the point of savin space. anyway, i like to get more space than lack quality. and just if others cant hear a difference it doesnt mean there is no or others cant hear one too. i mean no ones in the others head and can see now if im able to hear that or not. no links to any files or any discussions will show up any result on that. u just can trust people saying they can hear the difference or not. at the end its up to u and no point to argue...
saludozZ
ps: no comment to the thingy above. this is damning no point to mess around....as its simply not possible FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
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mquirk1
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Posted : Sep 18, 2009 15:44
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On 2009-09-10 12:05, subconsciousmind wrote:
here again the link to the test directly:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch/workshops/various/mp3-showdown-hq
interesting how few downloads and how few votes. I personally have tried to hear the difference too. I've listened to the files on everything I have available here from my studio monitoring, to my car, to my kitchen radio, my friends lowcost mid size PA at 110dB, my headphones, my iphone headphone and internal speakers. I can under no circumstances identify the 320kbps. the better the system i can identify the 192kbps SOMETIMES and always the 128kbps. the worse the speakers are the less it matters how it is compressed.
but hey prove me wrong, maybe I'm just unable, take the test.
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i could hear a fairly noticeable dif between 128/192 and the 320+wav, and a small but noticeable dif between 320 and wav. mainly just in the high frequencies and the 'airiness' of the feel of the track.
these tests depend a huge amount on the equipment used tho. i could hear a dif on my $7000 worth of monitors and DA, but would i hera a dif on my mp3 player or my car system, probably not..
so for audiophiles or people using at high-end hifi system there is a definite noticeable difference, and so for some people it matters.
would it matter on a PA at a party? not sure, i've never had the oppurtunity to do an A/B between 320 mp3 and wav on a big PA outdoor. but in my experience (from using my monitors), the high frequencies of 320 mp3 start to sound a bit harsh when you turn it up really loud. and a big PA just amplifies this problem |
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gutter
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Posted : Sep 18, 2009 16:44
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128Kbps MP3 iz de best !!
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 18, 2009 22:04
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So its okej to play 192Kbps at a party?
just want to know.....
i mean if you cant get hold of the track on CD...
its a compromise...
what do you guys think?
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Upavas
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Posted : Sep 18, 2009 23:20
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 18, 2009 23:39
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On 2009-09-18 23:20, Upavas wrote:
Not again... please...
@ freeflow, you will definitely notice a diference if the rest you play is wav files.
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Okej i see... thats too bad cause i have many old tracks in mp3 that would be a blast to play at a party... but i guess quality should come first....
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Becktrank
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Posted : Sep 18, 2009 23:41
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i hope these mp3 you guys are talkin about are actually bought mp3 and not downloaded from a blog or whatever.
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Upavas
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Posted : Sep 18, 2009 23:56
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Posted : Sep 19, 2009 00:13
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There clearly is a difference and It's proven. When an mp3 is made, it's not just the high frequencies that are taken but also the bass. It's a FACT that they don't sound as good.
320kbps I use in dj'ing as well as bought cd's and there is very little difference in quality, but however, it is still noticable to a dj/producer and probably not so much with general part goers.
with some lower quality mp3's, you hear the bass but don't feel it.
If you strive for TOTAL, upmost sound quality then don't use mp3 full stop....
...open to experimenting? then try it but I hope they are bought mp3's:)
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 19, 2009 01:02
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I understand you guys, no they are not bought and im not really planning on using them for playing at parties i only wanted to get some ideas...
but im not a hypocrite cause i really think that music should be free... but i understand that in this world where money talks its not possible...
so dont blame me for listening to music... btw i havent downloaded any illegal music for way long now.. only free and streaming from myspace...
Thanks for all your answers.. i think ill go for CD if ill ever play at a party, or play my own songs with a nice setup...
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 19, 2009 01:34
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Becktrank
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Posted : Sep 19, 2009 03:43
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On 2009-09-19 01:02, Freeflow wrote:
I understand you guys, no they are not bought and im not really planning on using them for playing at parties i only wanted to get some ideas...
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I got u me 2 also have a lot of music downloaded from blogs, but i would never use such musics to play at a party. I also think that music have to be free, but if it was free how all the artists that do so good musics to pleasure our ears, will continue on doing so? how they going to eat....that`s controverse.
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