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Ayahualis
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Posted : Feb 20, 2009 13:24:59
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From my experience in producing i learn several concepts of preforming tracks, and most intresting part was real time manipulating,or doing a track back and bone in 1 shot.I was wondering what you guys think about that. |
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Elad
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Kane
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You mean playing live and actually performing?
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 20, 2009 21:54
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x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 20, 2009 23:08
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 20:11
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 21:36
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On 2009-02-21 20:11, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2009-02-20 13:24:59, Ayahualis wrote:
From my experience in producing i learn several concepts of preforming tracks, and most intresting part was real time manipulating,or doing a track back and bone in 1 shot.I was wondering what you guys think about that.
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I mix as I write, although things don't usually tend to come together properly until the track's nearly finished.
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+1
in my head in order to get myself inspired of what comes next, the track at any point should already sound closest to what it will sound after it's finished.
so, every track is usually 80-90% done mixing-wise after i'm done composing.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 22, 2009 15:18
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i mix as i go and then i use this a guideline when i do the final mix... this is cause i like the job of mixing and there is always something you can do better so i dedicate alot of time for this....
but it would be horrible to not mix on the fly... its always good to get a picture and then fine tune it...
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Ayahualis
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 20:49
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i was thinking about dynamic concepts of making track. and i see that some people understand that and other don't. |
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shellbound
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 21:21
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there have been a lot of discussions of this. just a quick search produced these two, but there were more than that:
http://forum.isratrance.com/many-ways/
http://forum.isratrance.com/how-do-you-process-a-new-track/
i think this depends on experience. right now, i feel that i need to work on the musical ideas and the overall structure first, without worrying about the mix too much. this way i can actually progress with completion of the track, instead of being bogged down with details and tweaking everything without a stop. as i become more experience and learn my tools better and understand what kind of sounds i want to produce, i can see myself doing both at the same time. but i don't think there's anything "horrible" with not mixing on the fly. the proper selection/production of sounds should allow you to see the picture without using mixing tools (eq, compression, fx).
but maybe we are all talking about the same thing anyway. i mean, it's electronic music, so the lines between producing and mixing are pretty blurred by default (there's really no traditional "recording" stage). |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 21:54
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septa - i was referring to not adjust the volume of the sounds you add as you proceed.. that would be horrible, i mean imagine how horrible it would sound if the kick was too loud and the FM lead was too loud and the snare... 
you see what i mean, you adjust the volume of sounds as you go, and then you adjust some more, when you add more sounds.....
but as i understand the topic is about preforming the different parts... for me thats not mixing on the fly, thats recording or tweaking on the fly or some like that 
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shellbound
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 22:01
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oh, naturally. so we are pretty much talking about the same thing. i was just thinking along the lines of trying to really fit everything together by doing precision eqing and compressing sounds, before you have the whole arrangement. that's just really counter-productive, since any time you add new sounds or make some changes to the existing sounds, you need to go and tweak everything else. hence, the vicious cycle of non-stop tweaking and never actually finishing tracks. |
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Djones
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Posted : Feb 26, 2009 22:13
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On 2009-02-26 22:01, septa wrote:
oh, naturally. so we are pretty much talking about the same thing. i was just thinking along the lines of trying to really fit everything together by doing precision eqing and compressing sounds, before you have the whole arrangement. that's just really counter-productive, since any time you add new sounds or make some changes to the existing sounds, you need to go and tweak everything else. hence, the vicious cycle of non-stop tweaking and never actually finishing tracks.
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Sounds familiar!
I have made this mistake for years, mastering 16bar loops:-)
It all makes no sense, as it was just a runaway of being creative.
Better just add some eq's here and there, and leave the compressors/limiters untill the whole track is finished.
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x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 09:32
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On 2009-02-26 22:01, septa wrote:
that's just really counter-productive
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I wouldnt say its counter productive.. Its just what better suits u.. If u tried and it didnt work it doesnt mean it cant work for someone else.. I work faster that way cause I spent less time on mastering but u just have to know what ur doing.. However separation of stages is good for organizing..
And djones, as much as I know, when the track is sent to mastering service, mastering gets done in 16 bar loops.. Thats how pros that I seen do it..
Colin, if Im wrong let me know..
Its easier for ear to follow loops than the whole track.. And thats the reason why I mix on the fly, cause I would be sick of the track if I would have to go through all this looping one more time in the mastering process when I already had it over the head in the mixing stage..
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 13:28
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I agree with septa! though i can understand people who "master" their sounds as they go...
its nice to do a mix of both sometimes...
I never heard of mastering in 16bar loops, maybe its a wise idea to do each section of their own if there is a need for it.... but this sounds more needed if the mix is bad...
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