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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 12:12
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I can give all newbies one disasterours piece if information:
You can make a perfect Bassline with ONLY Trilogy. no eq, no comp, no distortion, nothing.
plain and simple: take trilogy, take a "saw", adjust filter and amp envelope, thats it.
The simple and bitter truth is.. and I'm sorry to say... if you can't get a perfect bass out of trilogy you don't know how to tweak the filter envelope.
I'd say the same goes for ESM and a couple of other synths.
  Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 13:06
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 13:48
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In my experience, what really changed my basslines was finding/getting decent kicks.
Imho a decent kick + VB-1/Tao is more than ok for a newbie.
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 15:27
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On 2008-10-21 13:48, SMS wrote:
In my experience, what really changed my basslines was finding/getting decent kicks.
Imho a decent kick + VB-1/Tao is more than ok for a newbie.
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6 songs with the same kick^^ make me thinking the same hehe... i think my kick sucks!
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parapsyched
Scratch 22
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 17:23
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but than one day you find... the tau somply doesnt cut it. you can get good results with it thats true. but the second you open trilogy you go : "wow where were all these low frequenies before? "
to get the same fatness of bass with tau you have to process it (not very gently if i might add) . trilogy is just fatter better and more versatile.
personally i think there`s way too much emphasis on kick bass these days... the whole scene suffers from "kick bass in your face syndrome" . but where`s the music?
if u dig deep enough u just might reach the sky...
"dream is destiny"
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ULTRANOIZE
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 17:57
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On 2008-10-21 12:12, subconsciousmind wrote:
I can give all newbies one disasterours piece if information:
You can make a perfect Bassline with ONLY Trilogy. no eq, no comp, no distortion, nothing.
plain and simple: take trilogy, take a "saw", adjust filter and amp envelope, thats it.
The simple and bitter truth is.. and I'm sorry to say... if you can't get a perfect bass out of trilogy you don't know how to tweak the filter envelope.
I'd say the same goes for ESM and a couple of other synths.
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reload it i need the kicks |
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 23:08
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On 2008-10-21 17:23, parapsyched wrote:
but than one day you find... the tau somply doesnt cut it. you can get good results with it thats true. but the second you open trilogy you go : "wow where were all these low frequenies before? "
to get the same fatness of bass with tau you have to process it (not very gently if i might add) . trilogy is just fatter better and more versatile.
personally i think there`s way too much emphasis on kick bass these days... the whole scene suffers from "kick bass in your face syndrome" . but where`s the music?
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I do not agree about Tao. Maybe it does not sounds as u want, but it can cut the mix very well. I´ve made a track looooong time ago, and as far as I remember we used only Cubase Sx native eq(if used). Here´s the track:
http://rapidshare.com/files/156267679/SMS_vs_Triptych_-_Verification.mp3.html (maybe that´s not the sound u want, but I can say that it cuts very well the mix. Even nowadays it sounds ok for me)
Just to be honest from my experience, I must say that I´ve always used distortion on my bass. Overdrive, QuadraFuzz, PSP VintageWarmer... So, for me, it´s easier to get perfect bassline with them.
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sendtoglennc
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Oct 21, 2008 23:26
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On 2008-10-21 13:48, SMS wrote:
In my experience, what really changed my basslines was finding/getting decent kicks.
Imho a decent kick + VB-1/Tao is more than ok for a newbie.
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that is so true for me to=)
I also had big problems with finding a good sounding bassline..but thing is i used others kicks..so one important truth is, in my opinion, You cannot just take a random kick and get a good bassline always..even if the bassline is good it will maybe sound crap cause the kick doesnt fit the style..i think its all about creating your own kick in i.e soundforge and eq and dist it to your liking and then tweak a bassline cooperation with your cool kick..then you will get your own kick/bassline sound..so i dont think there is no essential secret or shortcut to a perfect bassline..its ju st practice to create/tweak your style..and to make the parts as beatiful as the wholeness..
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subconsciousmind
SCM
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Posted : Oct 22, 2008 09:53
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On 2008-10-21 17:57, ULTRANOIZE wrote:
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On 2008-10-21 12:12, subconsciousmind wrote:
I can give all newbies one disasterours piece if information:
You can make a perfect Bassline with ONLY Trilogy. no eq, no comp, no distortion, nothing.
plain and simple: take trilogy, take a "saw", adjust filter and amp envelope, thats it.
The simple and bitter truth is.. and I'm sorry to say... if you can't get a perfect bass out of trilogy you don't know how to tweak the filter envelope.
I'd say the same goes for ESM and a couple of other synths.
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reload it i need the kicks
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www.ismism.de
buy bazzism there you have your kicks. support the guy and really buy it instead of using cracks.. please.
Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch |
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Nectarios
Martian Arts
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Posted : Oct 22, 2008 11:28
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On 2006-07-28 01:51, rizm wrote:
What we'd like is for someone to take us through the steps of creating a decent bassline. I know it might be the same as some of producers are using, but at least it would be a start for us
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Here's the basics.
Choose one oscillator, saw wave.
Put that through a low pass 24db/8ve (4-pole) filter. Set the resonance to 0.
For complete n00bs, a low pass filter passes the low frequencies of the oscillator/ incoming signal and filters out the high frequencies. The cut off frequency is the frequency at which the filter starts filtering out the harmonics generated by the saw waveform, for a 4 pole filter, that is 24dB per octave.
Lower the cut off frequency enough so that you can only hear the low end.
Now you should hear all this whooly low end that does not cut through in the mix, so...
In your modulation matrix set an envelope as your source and the filter cut-off, as your destination. Set velocity to control your modulation index.
Rough filter ADSR settings are: 0 attack, 0 sustain and 0 release. The decay parameter is the time it will take for the filter to close once it opens as much as you have selected in your filter modulation index. The higher the index, the more effect the ADSR will have on the cut-off, so for example, if the modulation index is at max, the filter will open fully, and then close as fast as the decay parameter commands.
So roughly set that modulation index to 60% and a fast decay setting (say 1/5 of the maximum decay setting).
If you want more harmonics in your bassline, don't bother boosting the high mids, simply increase the modulation index and/or increase the filter's cut-off frequency. Generally its best to get the sounds right at source and use as little processing as possible.
Amplifier ADSR settings should be 0 attack (right before clicking), decay is irrelevant as your sustain should be set to max and 0 release (right before clicking).
Since velocity is your modulation index controller, the notes that are lower in velocity will open the filter less, so you can play around and make an interesting pattern.
Obviously different synths have their sound, but generally play with the cut-off frequency, modulation index (the amount by which the envelope controls the filter) and the decay parameter of the filter's envelope to get the bass that suits your tune.
THE most important thing to getting a good bassline is to listen carefully to the basslines of the tunes you like and understand what the artist did to get them sounding like that. You will only understand if you practise a lot trying to make your own basslines and get a good grip on synth parameters and the effect they have on the final patch.
The second most important thing, is how well your mix is balanced and how busy your arrangement is. Some basslines and kicks sound phat only because there is smart arranging that gives them space to cut through.
Peace out.
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Oct 22, 2008 13:52
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Wow, thanks dude, I'll check this out on a hardware synth asap ! |
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ULTRANOIZE
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Posted : Oct 22, 2008 16:23
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On 2008-10-22 09:53, subconsciousmind wrote:
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On 2008-10-21 17:57, ULTRANOIZE wrote:
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On 2008-10-21 12:12, subconsciousmind wrote:
I can give all newbies one disasterours piece if information:
You can make a perfect Bassline with ONLY Trilogy. no eq, no comp, no distortion, nothing.
plain and simple: take trilogy, take a "saw", adjust filter and amp envelope, thats it.
The simple and bitter truth is.. and I'm sorry to say... if you can't get a perfect bass out of trilogy you don't know how to tweak the filter envelope.
I'd say the same goes for ESM and a couple of other synths.
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reload it i need the kicks
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http://www.ismism.de
buy bazzism there you have your kicks. support the guy and really buy it instead of using cracks.. please.
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no man i dont want this i want the kick packs |
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Brain_Train
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Posted : Oct 22, 2008 16:50
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maybe that's ok for some time, but in the long run you'll want to make your kicks yourself.
you're much more flexible that way, because you don't have to make your bass according to a kick of someone else...
bazzism is really simple and the kicks sound good...
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here is my old kick folder:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/tekxs5
but i strongly recommend you to learn making kicks with soundforge (or something similiar) or simply getting bazzism...believe me, sooner or later using kick samples will become annoying... |
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Chemogen
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Posted : Oct 22, 2008 18:57
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I've been quite partial to Alien303 lately. |
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D.H.P.
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Posted : Mar 14, 2009 09:15
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http://rapidshare.de/files/27267222/fugga_smudge_ISRATRANCE.rar
Hey if anyone still has this do think you could re-up it?
Thanks. :^)
@ PipeandSlippers - I loved your guide for noobs above. I've been learning to produce psy for about 2 years now and I was still able to find some useful tips. From that I was able to improve the sound of my bass.
To the n00bs: Listen to the guys who say "practice". It pays off, don't be lazy and have patience! It really does take time to bring your sound into perfection. |
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