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bukboy
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Posted : Oct 24, 2006 14:51
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I think there should be a special name for people who write completely useless comments like "be yourself" or dont copy X.
This forum/noone needs that.
Any suggestions... ?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 24, 2006 15:11
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bukboy
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Posted : Oct 24, 2006 15:39
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Colin u are not seriously defending this abhorrent practice, whereby useful discussion is replaced by mystical references to the higher self?
Its obvious that people will not succeed if they copy someone.but they might learn some perspective.
What does an OOOD stand for?Only on one Donkey?
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diskOtek
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Posted : Oct 24, 2006 15:47
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i d rather say be yourself and have a 'special name' or just be 'useless' as u say than encourage copying and have countless clones of the same old song.
thats my humble opinion!
now wheres that name? 
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bukboy
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Posted : Oct 24, 2006 16:22
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Holy crap.
How are u supposed to know what to explore, if u dont know where other people have been?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 24, 2006 16:53
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On 2006-10-24 15:39, bukboy wrote:
Colin u are not seriously defending this abhorrent practice, whereby useful discussion is replaced by mystical references to the higher self? |
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Not "whereby useful discussion is replaced by mystical references to the higher self", no.
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| Its obvious that people will not succeed if they copy someone.but they might learn some perspective. |
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So do we want to help people to succeed, or just to learn some perspective?
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| What does an OOOD stand for?Only on one Donkey?
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Dinosaur, old chap. Dinosaur.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 24, 2006 18:38
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Copy X and dont be your self...
i dont see why you need to ask questions like, how do i make Gms bass or Shifts leads.. the sounds are there, if you cant replicate them by your self with the knowledge you gained then obviously its not for you.. its a totaly different matter if i try my self and do my best... if i soo much want to have a lead that sounds like shift then the least i should do is to work hard to get it... not get somebody to serve it on a plate for me, what good will that do?
it would also be a whole different matter if the person that asked the question posted a snippet of how close S/he had come.. and ask for pointers instead of formulas... or numbers to dial.. well i never been much for doing stuff thats already been done.. im a innovator i like to create my own things but it dont mean im not at all interested in how things are made, i also stumble up on things i recognize, and i think its important to reflect over the things you recognize.. at least if you want to be a innovator-..
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Oct 24, 2006 21:55
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I've always wondered why it's okay to ask for help on one topic, but is frowned upon to ask for help on another?
Is it the topic that gets people worked up, or is it the manner in which the topic is being discussed?
I think perhaps there might be less bickering over threads if people gave an honest attempt first, & then asked for help from there. I frequently don't know where to start with trying to get a certain sound, but I'll research quite a bit to get started. I think folks might be more willing to help someone who has posted an MP3 with their efforts than someone who is looking for a list of instructions on how to do it.
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 24, 2006 22:00
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i respect colin as much as i respect everyone else here on the forum, but im sick to death of both the how to sound like X and the be your self memes.
every fucking one of us as at least at some point in tryed to mimic some other producer.
colin, i believe in your begginner years you took others as reference, i dont say you copyed them, but sure you were interested in looking up to their examples.
sometimes we can learn even from bad examples, i think.
gms has good basslines and i believe they're a BIG inspiration for most starting and to some that arent starting now.
when some one says "be yourself" to me i just think "fuck you, you dont know me".
sorry about all this swearing but i see the end of all this forums when all the answers are be yourself
we arent producing the most inovative music genre, most trance sounds the same to untrainned ears, or just to most people that arent interested in dessecting every element in a track
it doesnt have to be this way, but the "be yourself answer" wont help either...
if i start a thread asking how to have X sounding like some obscure producer, not an all-star like GMS, shift, skazy or whatever(fuck, who wants to sound like skazy anyway), i'm sure to get answers, but to most trolling this forum GMS is evil and so their sound is somekind of taboo or whatever... and then the "be yourself" answer...
and i wont say im a big GMS fan, but i do think they have very good tracks were i goo WOOWW, even if most of the time im hearing "dark full on stuff" or completely different types of music... roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 24, 2006 22:42
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I tried to mimic Logic bomb, and also Twisted system, derango and i have had lots of influences from all different kinds of music.. and tried to mimic.. wont say i done it with much success. but thats irrelevant..
the point is that you shouldnt need to ask, just try it out your self.. i mean if you ask here why not take some more effort and contact the artist instead.. if you want to have the exact same sound... the whole point of learing is to experiment...
i have asked lots illogical questions, and im not blaming people for asking, but sometimes it feels like some people is just looking for a easy ways that really dont exists..
nothing bad in easy ways, but even if someone explain the person will have to work hard anyway, so i think some questions are pointless.. but who am i to judge that...
if you are feed up with the answer be yourself, come with a solution....
if i ask you now... how can i make a Gms lead and bass? what will you answer me?
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neuromantik
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 00:22
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Everyone who's complaining must understand that producers have often gone to great lengths to learn their studio knowledge, whether it be going to $A€, giving blowjobs in tel aviv/haifa, or actually pining over theoretical music textbooks and ancient greek scrolls on the harmonic properties of intervals 
It is understandable that they would look with disdain anyone who has not gone to as much length to learn the material as they have. Because let's face it, no one wants to help the competition, basic economy 101 
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 01:38
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I think i agree with Freeflow..It's not the question that was asked rather its the way in which it was asked that sparked the whole debate..Asking for everything to be served on a platter to you is not the way to go..The least the guy could've done is post a sample showing how far he'd gotten with his attempt & then maybe people would've pointed out where he was going wrong..
If you're going to be taken seriously on this forum at least put an effort into your questions to show that you care & are willing to put some time & effort into it..Otherwise i guess you're always going to get answers like these!
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 01:40
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often when we try to mimic ,it s more about the production,like how to make this lead or this bass... it s not about music,just production.it s beeing yourself with a better sound quality |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 01:47
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Freeflow - I agree. Knowledge is there to be shared, and I have helped out a lot here with many general technical questions. But if I'm going to take flak for trying to persuade people to learn the most important lesson of all - how to teach yourself and find your own answers to the problems you come up with, rather than try and get solutions spoonfed to you - then what's that about?
Sure I looked up to people when OOOD was starting out but whatever pointers I took from other people was all about vibe. Not arrangement (although you pick up a certain amount - quite enough, I'd say, to get an idea of what's going on - by just listening to a track), not technique, not programming, not engineering. We wanted to make music that would make people feel the way the tracks we heard made us feel. If OOOD/Voice of Cod sound distinctive it's because of that. And if you want your music to equally reflect your own individuality then I personally would advise following a similar path.
One of the things I'm constantly telling the schoolkids to whom I teach Music Technology is "Open your eyes and use your brain. Think about what you see in front of you, and what you want to do with the software. The answers are right in front of you." What good have I done in the classroom if, when the lessons stop, the kids don't have the ability to keep learning by themselves?
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sy000321
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 02:06
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On 2006-10-24 22:42, Freeflow wrote:
if you are feed up with the answer be yourself, come with a solution....
if i ask you now... how can i make a Gms lead and bass? what will you answer me?
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be yourself maaaan dont copy GMS... i dont copy GMS too, so be yourself by being just like everyone else not copying GMS...
actually i have a patch that sounds totally ripped from GMS... please PM citing how much... €€€€ roll a joint or STFU :) |
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