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Old Goa samples??
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trancedanne
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Posted : Dec 16, 2013 19:47:23
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Does anyone know where i can find old goa samples, percussions and even bass samples from the 90's GOA era?
Such as Astral Projection and Man With No Name, i would really appreciate it!
If not, how can i create these type of samples męself? Do i need some sort of drum machine? |
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knocz
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Posted : Dec 16, 2013 19:52
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Learn how to program a synth, and you'll have all you need 
There are no "magic samples" that can make you create goa, or any genre for that matter (yeah yeah Vengeance and insta-house-trance-dance and what-so-not), but there is so much fun to be had making goa!
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supergroover
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Posted : Dec 16, 2013 21:50
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I am sure they did use some sample cds though. Would be nice to get a hold of them...
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 16, 2013 23:09
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 00:18
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On 2013-12-16 23:09, Upavas wrote:
Your brain does not know the difference...
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Padmapani
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 02:17
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On 2013-12-16 21:50, supergroover wrote:
I am sure they did use some sample cds though. Would be nice to get a hold of them...
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in the booklet for their live in athens album etnica state that they used samples from the first goa sample cd ever in 1998. so the majority didn't have sample cds back then, especially not in or before 1997 when most of the classic goa albums where released.
many did however use presets from the synths back then. for instance if you search for "lately bass" you'll find bass samples from a preset that appeared in numerous tracks...
of course you'll definitely have to use a 909 emulator or 909 samples if you want to copy the classic hat/snare/kick sounds from the 90s. |
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OzMike
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 07:00
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It was mostly acid house but my bro was making tunes & until around 1998 everything he did was with synths. No sample cd although he did sometimes sample from old funk/soul vinyls or vinyls of classical music my parents had collected.
People actually made this music from scratch can you believe it? They actually spent all day & night f#cking around with hardware to make it happen without samples!
Samples IMHO have ruined much of EDM including this scene. It's cheap & easy to just use samples & DAWs to jump on the prog or full on bandwagon and ride the wave.
No originality, and artists using hardware like Filteria get minimal respect here.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 08:03
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Crnorizec Hrabar
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Goa trance was very diverse genre, it managed to survive from the early 90's in its proto form, to the early 00's when it was slowly melting into psychedelic trance. I know that OP mentioned Astral and MWNN, but this artists were growing with the genre itself, and have variety of releases from different periods. The only common thing in all Goa trance is the feeling, the positive feeling, slight euphoria and desire to dance when you listen to this music without being high on psychedelics. With drugs whole new universe is there, but that is another topic! Bpm is very important for Goa trance, you need to find the best fitting bpm for the groove of kick and the bass line. Close your eyes and tune the bpm by hand:) Experiment with the bass, no rules there, study some old acid patterns, Roland 303 patterns with slide/glide and accent, minor scales with variations or ragas. Not many of the original goa artists own a 303, the acid sound is usually from a SH 101, or Roland MC 303, even maybe Korg MS 10 or 20 and Novation Bass Station. Computers were used for sequencing, via midi, arpeggiators are important as well as gated pads, with closed high hat triggering the gate on the pad! Roland Juno series synths, Nord Lead 2, Access Virus A or B.. And back on topic YES samplers are important part of the goa sound, Akai S series of samplers, even Akai MPCs, Roland samplers, Emu Samplers! Sample cds were used for the 909 drums, rarely original 909 were used, Akai had really good sample CDs back then as well as Zero G samples. Mackie and Soundcraft mixers, for overdriving the drums, cheap guitar FX, Alesis Midiverb 2, Eventide Harmonizers..
A lot can be written about Goa..
If you are interested in some samples PM, i can make some for you!
Check UX-ultimate experience for some good goa madness..
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 15:51
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On 2013-12-17 12:30, Crnorizec Hrabar wrote:
Goa trance was very diverse genre, it managed to survive from the early 90's in its proto form, to the early 00's when it was slowly melting into psychedelic trance. I know that OP mentioned Astral and MWNN, but this artists were growing with the genre itself, and have variety of releases from different periods. The only common thing in all Goa trance is the feeling, the positive feeling, slight euphoria and desire to dance when you listen to this music without being high on psychedelics. With drugs whole new universe is there, but that is another topic! Bpm is very important for Goa trance, you need to find the best fitting bpm for the groove of kick and the bass line. Close your eyes and tune the bpm by hand:) Experiment with the bass, no rules there, study some old acid patterns, Roland 303 patterns with slide/glide and accent, minor scales with variations or ragas. Not many of the original goa artists own a 303, the acid sound is usually from a SH 101, or Roland MC 303, even maybe Korg MS 10 or 20 and Novation Bass Station. Computers were used for sequencing, via midi, arpeggiators are important as well as gated pads, with closed high hat triggering the gate on the pad! Roland Juno series synths, Nord Lead 2, Access Virus A or B.. And back on topic YES samplers are important part of the goa sound, Akai S series of samplers, even Akai MPCs, Roland samplers, Emu Samplers! Sample cds were used for the 909 drums, rarely original 909 were used, Akai had really good sample CDs back then as well as Zero G samples. Mackie and Soundcraft mixers, for overdriving the drums, cheap guitar FX, Alesis Midiverb 2, Eventide Harmonizers..
A lot can be written about Goa..
If you are interested in some samples PM, i can make some for you!
Check UX-ultimate experience for some good goa madness..
Crnorizec
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Very detailed info! There's a ton of familiar samples on those Akai cds and on the EMU's factory sets and expansions, for sure!
Bare in mind that both the Nord Lead (first one) and Korg Prophecy were released on 95, and the Virus A was released in 97 only. Prior to that, there was the OSCAR that already featured DCO's along with two analogue filters. At least Simon Postford had one of those and still uses it to this day.
http://www.gforcesoftware.com/products/imposcar2
^worth taking a look, seriously...
The Roland's MC series was only released in 96 (MC 303) so prior to that and you'd be listening to drum machines of all sorts resampled to some good old sampler racks and triggered by midi. Bare in mind the TR machines had no MIDI on them, just cv inputs, so it was either the resampling route or using a hardware sequencer. I think people felt more confortable working with MIDI because everything would be in sync (well, kind off... XD).
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and of course, the Roland's JP was also released in 96 (for the sake of history eheh), this one was the "supersaw" one.
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Crnorizec Hrabar
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 18:09
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Yes i know that the virus A is from 97, and i consider that period 'Goa',maybe more music wise than production wise. Astral Projection had one i think. I think as well that CV was not popular between trance producers of that era. Roland R8 was one of the drum machines that was used in that period, as well as some of the simmons stuff. Oscar was and still is quite rare synth (and expensive), as Octave stuff is. There is a myth that goa sounds like goa because is recorded on tape, but unfortunately that is not true. Mainly ADAT hard disc recorders were used, but some of the classic stuff was released on vinyl which gives it a nice character. Around 97-98 sound slowly but drastically changed/improved (this is my opinion) and that is the end of the classic Goa trance, and entering the era of the real Psychedelic Goa trance. It did not last long, before everything collapsed into 'full on'! But between 97 and 01 producers were experimenting a lot, and they gave us their best products! I am still waiting for the day to come to bring us some good 'music' (read MUSIC), and not just good production (Killer kick and bass, but thats it, no story no nothing)! But some good news are coming from Finland..
I hope this helps a bit,
Crnorizec!
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