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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 19, 2011 22:05
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I find it totally UTOPIA that any quality artist would ever give away his/her music and let you sell it for you to keep the profit making your label grow.
As I said there are no need for any more labels. Especially not those who seem to get it totally wrong 
Good luck finding a quality artist that will say yes to your terms.
Personally I would rather give away my music for free (in wav) than ever let a label keep my royalties.  www.beatagency.dk |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 19, 2011 22:32
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This project don t sound serious. |
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supergroover
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Posted : Apr 19, 2011 23:59
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Not very well thought out.. back to the drawing table please.
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 00:14
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128 kbps is really utterly useless. Now why don't you come up with something positive, like what you want instead of what you don't want? It will change your message completely.
And then there is the little thingy that you should give something back to the artist.
Something like what goes around comes around.
Explain to me why I should give you my music for free!
And don't take this down the wrong throat, it is not meant to piss you off.
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aodioiboa
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 01:23
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i can understand your worries about me being a douchebag that just want to rip off other artists...
but thats not my intention...
i dont wanna pay artists for the music, because in my opinion it is more profitable for artists, if the money, which is generated by selling of the tracks, will be put into the label to grow and so give artists the chance to grow with the label...
nowadays in trance-scene, tracks are usually not paid good anyway, because sales are decreasing... (its not the 90s anymore)
i believe, that if this little money is spent
for the label itself, it will, in longer terms, be much more profitable for the artists, because it generates attention and so gigs, where the money is today...
this money could for instance be used to make flyer, to prepare physical releases or to put ads in magazines or on websites and so make the label more famous...
if it happens, that the label will run supergood, of course artists get their share...
i will not put any of the money, which is generated by the sales of other artists in my private pocket...
i am fair person, all people who worked with me in the past can underline that... and i have been working with and for many different people and organisations...
although i am not so known as musician yet, i have been doing decoration in this scene since 15 years... on uncountable smaller events and nearly every major festival in europe ( http://www.cosmicwalkers.com this is website of the group i was part of before i left in september last year) i am almost shure, that you already saw some of the stuff made by me...
some years ago, i started to focus more on music, and meanwhile i released a few tracks on some labels and also played on lotz of parties and festivals including big ones like boom...
i am definitely not raja ram, nor i want to be, but i know the scene quite well and i also know, what i am doing here...
if any more questions coming up, it will be my pleasure to answer them... 
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 02:04
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I still do not believe for one second that your idea hold water. I've been an artist for many years and know this business inside out (also as a label head). And believe me. What you want to do is not in the best interest for the artists (It's in your own interest). And to think they will all benefit from your maybe "success" down the road is total utopia given the facts that maybe 5% get paid bookings in this scene.
Nowadays artists are a dying breed when it come to payment from their music and bookings. I really don't see you inventing anything new here. Sorry.
Anyway good luck.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 03:26
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labels may be something of the past in the years coming, a artist can get already his tracks on most of the digital stores without any labels (i think even on beatport it s possible now).it s maybe the futur, taking care of everyhting between your daw and the mp3 the guy listen on his ipod. |
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aodioiboa
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 03:33
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On 2011-04-20 02:04, Beat Agency wrote:
I still do not believe for one second that your idea hold water. I've been an artist for many years and know this business inside out (also as a label head). And believe me. What you want to do is not in the best interest for the artists (It's in your own interest). And to think they will all benefit from your maybe "success" down the road is total utopia given the facts that maybe 5% get paid bookings in this scene.
Nowadays artists are a dying breed when it come to payment from their music and bookings. I really don't see you inventing anything new here. Sorry.
Anyway good luck.
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thank you...
i totally agree, that there are too many labels out there...
and too much bad music...
no offense, but 95% of the trance-music released in last 5 years is crap...
thats why artists dont get booked...
because everybody is copying everybody...
on almost every party and on almost every album or compilation, you hear the same leads, same rhythm-structures...
technically, making music has become quite easy lately, but the ability to handle musicsoftware doesnt make people automatically good musicians...
so i wouldnt buy most of the stuff too...
and even bad mastered releases still appear...
i will not deny, that it is in my own interest, that the label grows... of course i want that... thats not a hidden fact...
i am starting the label to promote and sell
my own music... i could release it on other labels, i had enough requests... but i wanna release it on my own label, because in this case i am more free with releasing my own stuff and do not have to rely on other people (releasetimes can be freakin long sometimes)...
so i will create a label and i will promote it...
and while doing this, i also could offer other artists to release their music on the label... not every good artist has a platform... not everybody wants to create their own website to promote the stuff, except on social media sites...
also, artists keep their rights for the tracks...
however, i do see your point...
so i think a 50 percent share is ok already from the second release on...
i mean, assuming a compilation is sold 200 times for 10 euro and 10 artists have a track on the compilation...
200copies*10euro/10tracks = 200 euro per track, this divided by 2 = 100 euro...
so the artist would get 100 euro for a track, if 200 compilations will be sold...
the rest will be used for the label...
what do you think...?
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 11:13
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i think you´re goin down the same road like almost any other label does....
now, this is the point most labels stuck at. if you need to pay the artist for a track, you wont be able to work with it, as the costs will always be there. so if you dont sell, you´re down to pay anyways.
imo you got a good idea. but you should think about other ways to pay back the artist. you´re right that theres no money on releases. so doesnt make any sense to me to pay the artists depending on calculated sales...
its not about you beeing a douchebag, totally wrong thought. it´s just not that fresh idea and hard to get for the artists, as one cant see any benefit for oneself here.
imo theres new stuff needed. the music should be free, but the label has to look for alternate pay back options. for now, most artists i know would rather release a quality disk for free at ektoplazm instead of releasing on a label. it just catches most attention, gets you most downloads and therefore most gigs which will be the primal benefit at the end.
at the end any label in past or future should include music pirates in their calculations. as most ppl out there wont pay anymore for music which is available for free just before the release is out ^^
i quite can get that, times hard and as ppl cant efford something to eat in their fridge, why the heck should they pay for music, even if it will be available free one day or the other.
sooo. yes, a label today wont be of that huge benefit. weither labelmanager nor artist. if one is aware of that, one can go for thinking about alternatives. but the music itself.... should be free.
took some long for me to understand this, but this is the future. not another label thinking all others doing wrong (without intend to offend here ).
the future will be free music, 100%.
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FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
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aodioiboa
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 15:41
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agreeing with u in most points...
and yes... ektoplazm-concept is great, i for myself was thinking about releasing my tracks for free there... it generates most (official) downloads of the music...
however, if people get something for free, they often forget the value of the work and start demanding it...
i mean: if an artist releases his tracks for free, its is almost common sense that if you invite him (or her) for playing, you also doesnt have to pay much for his gigs...
which is wrong...
ektoplazm is good for the world getting to know u, but people will get to know you as cheap artist... public opinion is strange sometimes...
through piracy-networx the music will be available for free in any quality anyway...
but at the same time the music keeps its value...
i am not against piracy, i want to use it... if people can get something for free, which usually isnt, they do enjoy it more... which is crazy, but thats the way humans tick...
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klippel
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 16:17
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now that you have answered more questions and your idea does not seem so strange any more, how about mastering. do the tracks you release get professional mastering or do your artists have to care about that? (also artwork comes to my mind)..
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 17:46
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I think there is a need for a total new strategy in this scene. A strategy I do not see being presented here.
IMO The strategy is to start releasing music that is not following the 99% of artists "production rules" in this scene
The keyword is "Experimentation" and "fuck all rules". Something totally missing these days where the BPM is more important than the musical visions. The keyword is also to give "the bird" to how this scene is run and start to rebel and bring down the "leaders" from their (not always self proclaimed) pedestals and get back to the point that no artist is a "god". What i really hate most about this scene today is the way people have started to worship artists and how a small group of artists bring home all the money in the budgets of example festivals while equal talented artists have to share the breadcrumbs playing side by side with "Star" artists who could not care less to even make a proper live-set. All they do is press start on the laptops and receive worshiping by the crowd who no longer get into a state of trance because the music is no longer trance and they are too busy looking at the "star" on stage. This is not OK IMO.
It's also utopia to think that artists who release free music and have many downloads will get gigs - WRONG!!! I have had over approx. 60.000 downloads the last 1.5 year alone and have quite a big following (daily e-mails etc. and a long history in this scene) and can't land one single gig. All I get is "Try next year". And 99% of those who release their music for free never see a booking. Why do I not get any bookings? It's a question I have asked myself and this is what I came up with. Because my music is not in the right BPM, is not psytechno, is not Full-on, is not dark psy, is not frenzy neo-goa, is not dub-shanti bongo drum enough.
I am sure there are some who say my music suck. I am fine with that too
And then of course I wont get any bookings at the big Festivals because i dared to criticized them. They don't like any criticism
I have my own style and I have my own unique sound and I like to experiment trying to do something fresh (for me at least) every time I release music.
IMO This is the case with this scene. If you do not stay within certain borders of music you wont get booked. Simple as that. The organizers are extremely conservative in the way they see bookings and style of music. And the audience don't care as long as they can go and have fun - The music is many times a secondary thing for them (especially in the big commercial festivals).
Local parties does not book foreign artists/Dj's any longer (compared to what they used to) and the big festivals book the same artists year after year. The commercial artists and the rest of the bookings are by local artists/dj's and artists who don't mind to not get paid and in some extreme cases agree to pay their own transportation.
I do believe what is needed is not yet another label releasing music that to me sound exactly like all the rest (I checked your music on your website and can't see that it's any different from the rest out there).
What is needed is to re-invent this scene and do a full blown riot
About payment there are many ways to go. But in the end you have to make sure that the artists gain something from releasing music with you. Otherwise your project is dead from day one.
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aodioiboa
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 18:36
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On 2011-04-20 16:17, klippel wrote:
now that you have answered more questions and your idea does not seem so strange any more, how about mastering. do the tracks you release get professional mastering or do your artists have to care about that? (also artwork comes to my mind)..
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all tracks will be mastered by myself, i was approved by lotz of people, including other artists and soundsystemoperators, that the quality is excellent... besides of that i have connections to other good (although not so known) mastering engineers, which can provide help, if needed...
that said, providing a good mix is crucial for getting a good sounding mastered track...
for artworks its the same...
besides of making music and decoration, i have loong experience when it comes to creating graphics...
however, if someone doesnt like my style, i know plenty of other excellent graphicartists, who can provide artworks for the label... also, if you want your own design, and its within the limit of good optics, you can use it too, of course...
so...
no, artists do not need to care about mastering and artworks...
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aodioiboa
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 19:38
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On 2011-04-20 17:46, Beat Agency wrote:
What is needed is to re-invent this scene and do a full blown riot
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hahaha... a trance-terrorist...
welcome...!!!
your opinion about this scene is not so much different from mine, so lets bring the "gods" down...
its true, that almost only well established artists get good bookings... but that is also because they do not give away most of their stuff for free... the value of the music comes in here again...
example: if you have 2 artists, producing nearly same sound, one is releasing everything for free, the other one not...
and both would come to play a gig on a festival for same price...
who do you think, people would book to listen to on dancefloor, if they pay for it...? the cheap one or the usually expensive one...?
so organisers think, that wellknown artists create more attention and so more visitors for the party and make it more profitable...
but this is only partially right...
because there are some artists, who charge
unbelievable amounts of money, and still get booked...
this is because here same formula works...
charge 3000 euro for a gig and most people will think, you are supergood, no matter how shitty your music is...
at the same time organisers do complain, that less and less people are coming to the events... analyzing these dropping visitors, slowly also the organisers are starting to get, that they could use these enormous amounts of money to pay other artist (which are as good as the "gods") and also spend it for other parts of the events, like decoration etc., which adds to the quality of the festival... but this will take a little time...
what also needs to be adressed in this case, is, that lot of bookings come from personal good connections... so for noobs in the artistscene, even if they are good musicians, it will always be difficult...
positive radical vibrations...
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 21, 2011 01:29
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On 2011-04-20 17:46, Beat Agency wrote:
IMO The strategy is to start releasing music that is not following the 99% of artists "production rules" in this scene
The keyword is "Experimentation" and "fuck all rules". Something totally missing these days where the BPM is more important than the musical visions.
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that made me laught but it s the sad truth ,even more for some non etablished artists that act like this to put all the luck on their side by formating their music and production to get more exposure releasing on well know labels,in a way it s logical but it s imo a big compromise on the quality of the releases ,what we can do best is our own sound with no barriers to sound like this or that, it s like limiting creativity,but it seems the system push artists to go into that direction. |
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