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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 15:35
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hi
too my knowledge the ambient scene is much smaller then the psytrance crowd on a worldwide basis ....i still wonder how do labels come up with such awesomely crafted cd packages with some really nice artwork like the quality relaxation disc and va -albedo (a few that come to my mind) ..
iam sure all this costs much more ....hence imo its more expensive to cut a ambient album then a psytrance album ...how do these labels function? ....can anybody shed some light on this topic ? ...
am i missing out on something? ...i keep seeing complaints by so many people about chillout areas without good speakers or stuff like no deco ,underpaid djs ...etc etc? ..still labels survive while relasing such great packaged material as compared to psytrance cds?
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CosmoNaughty
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 16:46
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I don't see it as Ambient Vs Psy trance, the music I like is still Psychedelic trance music but just the chilled end of the scale. |
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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 17:59
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 20:08
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here's a different approach:
chillout doesn't make a fuzz out of itself because it's CHILLout
chillout stays in the back ground eventhough it connects people from all different kind of musical genres.
chillout albums or compilations do not sell as bad as you think. if they wouldn't sell many of the bigger labels wouldn't be releasing chillout.
the demand for chillout is rising all the time because the scene is getting older (many "golden era" goatrancers are around their 30s to 40s). |
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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 20:11
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 20:19
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why is the crib still on? ..
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crib? like a house? like a cradle? on?
i don't get it whatever you are smokin pass some this way (or maybe i have had enough already)  |
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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 20:26
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why is the crib still on? ..
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crib? like a house? like a cradle? on?
i don't get it whatever you are smokin pass some this way (or maybe i have had enough already)
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oops sorry very poor word power display 
i mean why do i see so many complaints being posted like
chillout areas without good speakers, poor deco,underpaid djs,sound level problems etc?
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 20:40
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you're talking about parties. i'm talking about the whole.
on the party level:
people go to trance events mainly to have fun and dance. the chillout area isn't (sadly) that necessary or important for the majority of ticket buyers.
on the festival level:
you start to see better equipped chill areas, even stages, cause we're talking about a several day event and the majority of people want to relax a bit already...
and after a party or festival they go home and listen to chillout. homelistening.
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furthur
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Posted : Oct 2, 2005 00:16
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i believe (or at least hope) that chillout does not only cater to party goers, whereas trance mostly does.
so even though, the chillout stages might be less funded at parties, this is because most people that buy this music never even think about attending events but simply buy their music.
also, i have a hunch that a much bigger percentage of chillout lovers buy their music instead of only downloading as opposed to trancers.
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Oct 2, 2005 08:56
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i definitely agree with this...
one cant compare the no. psy n chill releases. to say that ..there are a lot more psy releases than chill...but at the same time chill listeners would end up buying a good compilation online but i hardly know any psy listeners who actually buy their stuff...psy here is more or less downloaded music.
as for a party...chill can prolly be used as an openin set for a party. but the main act woiuld be psy...a party s all bout full on psy n always thought chill djs play with psy artists in festivals n stuff...so im not too sure what partys at the chill area ure talkin bout with underpaid djs n stuff?
an yeah...absolutely loved the Quality relaxation cover 
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 13:37
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On 2005-10-02 00:16, furthur wrote:
also, i have a hunch that a much bigger percentage of chillout lovers buy their music instead of only downloading as opposed to trancers.
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To talk about me, and I have already written that here : it is definitaly because of the "timeless" aspect of this music.. It's not about trend and i'm still digging (and playing in sets) with the same pleasure "old" releases..
In the last event I've been to I played New Religion by Empirion (1996) and it sounded so fresh to many people who didn't know it at all, and asked me details about it.
edit : well "many" is a bit strong hehe : a few suits better, but i'm happy with it already hehe..
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Posted : Oct 3, 2005 19:30
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easy all
yes. it is true - there is some very nice work outthere. but i still believe that much of it is very idealistic work. say for a small label - it does not mean it survives just like that. maybe the people involved has to do other jobs to keep their dream alife. on the other hand you have chill labels which are sublabels of 'bigger' labels which are releasing psytrance stuff on the main label and the chill on the sublabel. then the so called digipacks (cartoon cd covers and stuff) are cheaper now then they were and a production of a cd is not as expensive as it was.
but ambient and/or chillout should not be limited only to psytrance events. together with a friend i run a indian restaurant - where the backround music played is ambient...and i also played ambient in lounges and four star hotels where people could not even believe that such beautiful sounds and music even exists.
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Oct 4, 2005 00:09
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we survive by keeping our running costs down -
digipak artwork is nice, but only cost effective if you do a run of 5000, or if you are selling into a domestic market like japan where the unit price is more attractive and costs are high anyway.
other things that contribute to cost:
art - we pay 200GBP --> 400 GBP
mastering - we have found someone who can do it for 25$ per track - with good results we think
advances - not saying how much we pay ...
promo / advertising / mailouts - as much as you want to spend
also - other sources of income should be considered like licensing to other compilations, films, digital sales etc...
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Pax
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Posted : Oct 17, 2005 07:37
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And on that note, the number of "chill" fans who actually go beyond the fluffy beats and pseudo-ethnic crapola into the really deep stuff is even smaller..there's been alot of boring stuff released out there that's not all that interesting sound wise, but every once in a while some really great stuff comes out, like the new Albedo and Portals of Perception comp's. I personally dig the more ambient side over the downtempo side, aka I'm more into Aes Dana, H.U.V.A. Network, Carbon Based Lifeforms, Solar Fields, etc. As well as alot of drone based ambient stuff and "space" type ambient like Steve Roach, Forrest Fang, Thom Brennan, Heavenly Music Corporation, etc. |
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vector_0
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Posted : Oct 22, 2005 21:31
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^^^^someone's jaded....
but yeah, i have to agree with what people have been saying here. I really go out of my way to own good chillout stuff, while good psy is just around. Chill just has more substance than trance....it seems like the goal of a lot of trance producers is to follow a formula perfectly and sound like stuff thats already out |
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