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North American Mixed Genre Psy- Gatherings vs. Mostly Full On/FullPower
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paradigm
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 04:12
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ive been barking up this tree for a long time....... and it seems not to many people listen, or everyone knows best...
Too many time slots are put together, not based on who plays what, but who kissed whos ass. Or the newbies playing the opening/afternoon and less desireable slots (and lets face it, more rookies are playing dark than anything else) generally time slots, when mellower music is more desirable. Now i understand the whole rookies "earning their stripes" thing, but really orgs should book based on who plays what
that being said
I think alot of it does depend on your location and scene, and is it a one off indoor? Is it a weekender? A full festival? All these need to be looked at in context.
A scene that is very dark oriented, is probably going to flee the dancefloor in droves if someone plays a prog set....esp, at a indoor.
however... by the same token 165 bpm at 10am IS NOT FUN, and no you are not reprogramming or shattering my perceptions of anything, your just being an asshole.
My personal ideal flow would be
from about 5pm (maybe 4:20) 
dubby chill > prog > minimal tech > dark / neuro > twilight/hi-tek > full on > prog > chill
 
Logical Light Music - SF
Straylight Productions -SF
Sound/Mind - Denver
Xcience - Midwest
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 08:07
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On 2008-07-10 04:12, paradigm wrote:
however... by the same token 165 bpm at 10am IS NOT FUN, and no you are not reprogramming or shattering my perceptions of anything, your just being an asshole.
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While I may agree with you, certain places it is fun. There are some places that is all about the crazy stuff, certain places in Mexico for instance will not be happy with ya if you're playing too slow. I remember playing once in Mexico city and being heckled for not playing fast enough, and I was playing 146 at 1 pm. So you can't really say what does or doesn't really work for every single place. We all have our ideal flows, but in the end, it really really depends on what the dancefloor has to say. If you clear the dancefloor, then you should be able to read and adjust it to get the crowd back. There was once a time in SF where there were newbie djs that played the same melodic full on at noon that was played at midnight. So maybe currently in certain cities there are newbies who are playing a certain style, but to include the original poster, the crew that he is with is a predominantly progressive crew that specialized in that and tech trance. While I enjoy any sort of psychedelic trance for a period of time, too much of anything is kinda lame. Also take into consideration that sometimes it's not about asskissing, perhaps that person who got to play has been busting his ass for several parties helping out, and the opportunity to dj is a sort of thank you for helping out.
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 09:05
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"too much of anything is kinda lame."
So true Mubali.
That's why I'm always switchin it up!!! 
@ Paradigm... I like that formula a lot.
As for Andrew's post:
It would be ideal if there were two stages at all times!
Seriously, If it's going to be a proper psy party in the first place there needs to be a chill zone. Maybe I'm spoiled.
Personally, I can dive in and have a good time if either the above forementioned parties were going down... even if they were one-stagers.
Recently, I've been more enthused by experimental low to mid-range bpm styles. And I've really been getting into the newer styles of Prog and Tech as well... Nonetheless, I happen to like 90% of what is played at psy parties in California and beyond (well, Nevada for now  )
WHICH LEADS ME TO THIS OFF-TOPIC PUBLIC THANK YOU RANT:
And this goes for all of North America and California...
... the DJ's and artists we have are truly TOP notch performers, pioneers, creators, manifestos, troubadours, magicians... Raising the bar with each additional hour they practice, create, and play... another token... for this scene. You may or may not see it but we are a conscious collective... From west to east, north to south. We are a whole. Albeit a dysfunctional one (See Arahat's signature). We are on the fringe of society because we are the cutting edge.
It's important that we stop every once in a while and consciously recognize our achievements as a whole AND as individuals (from party-goer to party-thrower). §o give urself a hug AND a pat and maybe a pot too. 
ok /rant off.
Let this be another chapter in the Genre-debate scrolls.
p.s. Psytrance is not art!!! 
Knndrm
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Ascension
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 16:06
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After reading this I made a post about lineup consideration on the chilluminati forums (midwest) and it really generated a lot of good discussion/ideas. This really is a good thing to bring up every once in a while as konvndrvm said, so I suggest other crews to do it as well.
That being said, I don't think we should all copy each other's formulas since this gets boring and each crew/section of north america is different. I do think that it should be a discussion among crews to ensure they are creating the right PROGRESSION (the real key to parties imo) as well as staying on track with their initial intent as a crew (whatever that may be).
Cheers to the topic creator!
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DJ Uhm
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 17:02
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On 2008-07-10 08:07, mubali wrote:
I remember playing once in Mexico city and being heckled for not playing fast enough, and I was playing 146 at 1 pm. |
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Man those Mexicans don't f*uck around!! Especially the Twisted Minds crew....all dark, all day, everyday!!!
Brian - Uhm
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Pangea
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 19:22
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On 2008-07-08 18:54, thegooddale wrote:
Seems like a regression rather than an evolution to me.
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after seeing the baba guru goa gil i felt more de-evolved than i ever have in my whole life after 2 hours.
this is an opinion, its not like psy trance turns you into a genius or something.
this would be my flow:
dub step > minimal techno > darker prog > dark full power > mysterious twilight > full on > morning prog > tech house > chill
alot of it has to do with the crew bringing you and what they have in mind for the party. and what time they have you playing..
theres definitely a lack of progressive representation at most parties / festies in the states. i think we could attract more people if they weren't blown away @ 150 bpm from the beginning to the end.
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 19:42
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One analogy I've always liked to follow is, You can't just go in and bash someone across the head, you gotta get them nice and comfy, then sucker punch em. If you do it right, they won't notice and might even ask for more 
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Hidroponik
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 20:48
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 21:14
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Fucken mubs! you crack me up!
@ paradigm, you made me smile this early in the morning which is hard especially at work! Thanks for that!
We generally have an interesting/multi genre flow of music at our parties, I think a lot had to do with the kinds of parties we were going to in the early 90's here in LA in the deserts. I remember hearing Demanio from Goa Vibe crew playing dub at Integral parties like 8am to 10ish where now we would play something completely different. Those influences indeed carried themselves into how we composed our structure and we added our own flavor to it which has been working for us for many years now. The genre also presented a new platform with the birth of labels like Iboga and spiral trax, tatsu etc.. Naturally they become apart of that vibration too. What we do with it is our choice. We chose to do this over that.
My point is that every scene has its own soul that starts out crawling and eventually starts to walk. Not to say that Integrals intentions or the likes of Infinite Frequency etc. were crawling, just that it was the soul vibration then and we have something completely different now with all the new people and attraction that LA has created over time. The scene was smaller and we had less international or traveler attendants then we do today. Other cultures party habits became ours over time. Which is why its not important to try to force it to happen. It usually happens over time on its own. At a festival I can see where drawing it out is necessary. I should also mention the effect djs have that come from abroad and influence the organizers and party goers to have a different vision of how they create that flow. What the crowd wants is often what they have created.
SO keep vibrating in the flow that you are. And let the magic happen all by itself.
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PsyDrama
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Posted : Jul 12, 2008 05:22
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... the DJ's and artists we have are truly TOP notch performers, pioneers, creators, manifestos, troubadours, magicians... Raising the bar with each additional hour they practice, create, and play... another token... for this scene. You may or may not see it but we are a conscious collective... From west to east, north to south. We are a whole. Albeit a dysfunctional one (See Arahat's signature). We are on the fringe of society because we are the cutting edge.
It's important that we stop every once in a while and consciously recognize our achievements as a whole AND as individuals (from party-goer to party-thrower). §o give urself a hug AND a pat and maybe a pot too. |
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spikeadelic
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Posted : Jul 12, 2008 06:52
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any good gathering has its way of flow not everthing go's acording to plan certin crews have devloped there own style showcasing acts from around the world and local acts as well if the dj/performer reads the vibe he will sound good if he just wants to go home but plays all the latest and greatest he still sounds good just the vibe kind of changes sometimes good sometimes you start walking around I have heard dj's mix everything in a set and it sometimes works it is usually 4/4 timing so with the right skills it can be done Psy-Familia |
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Andrew Terrakroma
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 02:33
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Psydrama, has stars in her eyes... She loves pajamas?
Kiva, your simple words remind me that no matter what, this global family is so full of love and life that we will make the right moves towards evolution..
I have returned from my log cabin in Ohio and am back to find this topic has matured into a wealth of idea bubbles for all to enjoy...
The all progressive party was suuuper nice. We do need to have more of those. There are plenty of all ful on parties, those are great too. In order to appreciate the all dark parties, I had to open my heart. Then we have Moontribe, which to most is not psy, but the attendees and intention behind it is very special. All the dancers from all these scenes to me is dictating what we need to bring stuff together to discover eachother again without the clicks that naturally occur....
I think the answer here may lie in a few areas:
1) The well balanced flow of multigenre psy.
2) The reputation behind the promoters and gatherings to bring the right group of people.
3) An understanding between all organizers and promoters involved that there is a vision. A vision that must become a shared vision.
Johann commented that he'd like to see 2 stages happening more often. 2 stages is needed for the multigenre because some people will need a retreat for harder material when coming to a gathering for lighter material.... I think this scene is going to evolve towards not needing that second stage. If we push the limits and reeeeally pick and choose our lineups and visualize how everyone could be happy all the time (REALLY!), our NorCal/SoCal/Iowa/??? could become the new Metropolis' for outdoor gatherings... We have it all here !!! Free thinkers, georgeous landscapes, lenient laws regarding locational logistics, incredible talent, wise elders, and rich history... This is in the perfect environment for some TRULY cutting edge gatherings... I thank the universe every morning for being part of this....
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Andrew Terrakroma
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 03:51
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Andrew Terrakroma
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 22:50
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hardkornate
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 05:13
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On 2008-07-15 02:33, Andrew Terrakroma wrote:
our NorCal/SoCal/Iowa/???
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??? = Minnesota
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