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North American Mixed Genre Psy- Gatherings vs. Mostly Full On/FullPower
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Andrew Terrakroma
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Posted : Jul 4, 2008 02:51:14
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Ok... I come to my online global family for some much needed piece of mind regarding the creation of balance and the creation of a nearly perfect lineup flow...
By mixed genre, I'm talking a "main" stage with a nice balance of full power, morning, heavy night psy (not dark), dark progressive, progressive, psytech(dnox, velkro...), minimal psychedelic, and very well chosed minimal such as Perfect Stranger style and of course a well balanced "chill" stage with glitch, spirit chill, sacred intention music, and some top notch minimal as well...
Some people and scenes have very different ideas about what constitutes a well balance event... I suppose my question is this...
"As we the music we love evolves, I feel as though our parties should be evolving too... Do we still need to stick to our old patterns of fullon/night/dark/morning with one prog tacked onto the end, or should we think beyond that business plan and start creating mainstage lineups that flow differently that challenge our tastes, ears, and minds???
  
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kahn
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Posted : Jul 4, 2008 06:56
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Well since we're talking about art here (don't start with psytrance isn't art ok  ), I strongly believe that you don't HAVE to stick to any rules.
I would say that most of the local Los Angeles area parties I've seen, especially psytribe, try to stick to the traditional day/night flow stemming from goa.
But I am a strong believer that it can be done many ways, and still turn out great. I go to a lot of parties that mix psytrance with trance, house, and tech as well; and I feel that the genres mesh well enough throughout the night.
I've seen a few different takes on it though... At most psytribe night parties I've been to they start with prog and move up to night time psy... getting darker, then glitchy, and then finally becoming full-on in the morning. Green Sector day parties tend to start out slow and prog, and move up to climax at full on, bordering into some dark full on later in the day. Green Sector night parties tend to play prog in the early evening, and move up to faster full-on, peaking around 2am, and then becoming glitchier techier and slower and eventually becoming prog again in the morning. This is just what I've seen around here though. But it just goes to show that things are already done differently at a lot of parties.
As for my personal preferences on music vibes; for a psy party, I think Psytribe and Ananda got it really well with their flow at Into The Wild (although I didn't have the pleasure of going myself). I prefer prog, electro, or trance in the early evening moving into night vibes and then dark peaking around 2-3am. Then I like to see it kind of bottom off into that in between night and morning... light night I guess? psy that comes before the full-on, but after the dark. (Sorry that's the best I can describe it). Then from there I like to see it build into Full-On, and melodic full-on from sunrise up through noon or so. Then it's nice to have it bottom off to prog in the late afternoons (and carrying you up back through the cycle once more if it's multi day). |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jul 6, 2008 00:18
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Nothing is quite so boring as the same sound hour after hour--and this goes for any sort of event, psytrance or not. Reject monoculture!
As far as North American festivals go, Eclipse generally does a bang-up job of delivering variety on the main stage, year after year. I've heard straight-up electro, LPS-style dark full-on, space age techtrance, luscious chill out, proggy morning tunes--you name it. Last year I even heard someone sneak in an old Tim Schuldt track, Absurd.
The idea that there is one kind of "pure" psychedelic music that should be played at all hours is deeply flawed in a lot of ways... variety is where it's at. Even if you aren't a fan--it is nice to have the opportunity of experiencing many different musical styles over the course of a weekend festival.
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electrictiedye
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Posted : Jul 6, 2008 02:19
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I agree, half of what makes music psychedelic is getting surprised by something you hear. If we always had the same stuff we wouldn't be moving forward. That being said the music should still be synched up with the time of day and the mood. (something energizing and wild at night, something epic in the morning) The coolest is if the djs improvise to adapt to the surroundings, like changing the music if a storm suddenly hits. Also you don't need to go crazy with too many different styles, there can be a beauty in simplicity too. |
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Magox
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Posted : Jul 7, 2008 22:58
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I suppose a lot of depends on where you are and who attend your gatherings/parties.
I like the idea of variety. Too much of the same old same old seems to stagnate things in my view. A growing scene is a scene that is willing to adapt and change to what our ears would like to hear, and it is largely up to the organizers to try to put something together that would help try to find this equilibrium.
A good friend once told me something that has seemed to stick with me and that is that "you are either green and growing or ripe and rotting..."
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Ascension
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Posted : Jul 7, 2008 23:17
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Lately I've been thinking the midwest needs more prog on the main stage. Our parties usually start out with full-on and end the day with morning. Prog is pretty much only played on the second stage or 1 set is played at the beginning or end of the main stage. I like the prog, full-on/power, dark, morning, prog type of flow best. Starting with prog makes sense because it's a bit slower so you can dance to it in rhythm, but still conserve energy for later in the night. This eliminates people just standing around tapping their toe to some full-on for the first 2 sets. It also builds up some energy/anticipation for the psytrance to get started. A prog dance is like a moving stretching exercise, where you get loosened up physically and mentally.
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Jul 7, 2008 23:59
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re: flow, +1 for
prog/tech --> full-on/power --> dark/night --> morning/goa --> disco fever!!!!
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jul 8, 2008 04:57
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This may seem strange but I quite enjoy hearing downtempo and chill out on the main stage (or in the main room) when I first arrive at an event. If I walk into a party and find it is already going full tilt there's no acclimatization period; no easing into it. There is something to be said for the soft entrance, for building it up from the ground to higher heights. I also enjoy hearing the right kind of progressive deeper into the night--it doesn't (and shouldn't) always be full-on at all times of darkness. Fist-pumping madness at 11pm negates that sense of mystery that I find so integral to a next level psytrance gathering.
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Ascension
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Posted : Jul 8, 2008 15:42
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On 2008-07-08 04:57, Basilisk wrote:
This may seem strange but I quite enjoy hearing downtempo and chill out on the main stage (or in the main room) when I first arrive at an event. If I walk into a party and find it is already going full tilt there's no acclimatization period; no easing into it. There is something to be said for the soft entrance, for building it up from the ground to higher heights. I also enjoy hearing the right kind of progressive deeper into the night--it doesn't (and shouldn't) always be full-on at all times of darkness. Fist-pumping madness at 11pm negates that sense of mystery that I find so integral to a next level psytrance gathering.
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What time period do you think chill should be played at on the main stage? 7-8pm? What about something like dub instead for that timeslot?
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thegooddale
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Posted : Jul 8, 2008 18:54
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Honestly, "prog" simply sounds to me like the tech trance of the 90's rave scene that I got bored with when Josh Wink and Joshua Ryan and the like were actually doing it well. Seems like a regression rather than an evolution to me. |
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DJ Uhm
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Posted : Jul 8, 2008 19:30
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There certainly isn't a science to it. It is different from crew to crew and from one geographical location to another. Personally I am torn on this issue. I understand the build and flow to having something like prog> full-on> dark> morning, but I also like seeing new thoughts on flow.
At an event that some friends, Shiva Shakti and I helped out on we had Fractal Cowboys playing as the sun came up and into the first couple of hours of morning and it was frigging great. I don't like to get stuck into thinking that a certain style of music has to always get played at a certain time - too limiting. Hell don't lots of people get sick of hearing music from certain artists because their "formula" becomes to distinct and definied?!?! Why should it be any different with a stage lineup.
You never know what you are going to get at a party sometimes when speaking of people's energy level and experience that they are looking for. Sometimes it all falls into place, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you just have to go with what feels right even if it doesn't make sense from previous methodologies. You'll never get people to see something new and experience the magic/beauty tied into it if you never give it to them.
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jul 8, 2008 22:15
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On 2008-07-08 18:54, thegooddale wrote:
Honestly, "prog" simply sounds to me like the tech trance of the 90's rave scene that I got bored with when Josh Wink and Joshua Ryan and the like were actually doing it well. Seems like a regression rather than an evolution to me.
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Then I guess all the festivals all over the world are just living in the past and artists that tour all over the world playing "prog" for the past ten years or so are just pulling the wool over everybody's eyes. The conversations on this topic are good and genre bashing should just be left out of it. Im sure we all have our likes and dislikes...Ya know what I mean amigo?
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Bodhi 13:20
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Danrennt98
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 08:29
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On 2008-07-08 19:30, DJ Uhm wrote:
There certainly isn't a science to it. It is different from crew to crew and from one geographical location to another. Personally I am torn on this issue. I understand the build and flow to having something like prog> full-on> dark> morning, but I also like seeing new thoughts on flow.
At an event that some friends, Shiva Shakti and I helped out on we had Fractal Cowboys playing as the sun came up and into the first couple of hours of morning and it was frigging great. I don't like to get stuck into thinking that a certain style of music has to always get played at a certain time - too limiting. Hell don't lots of people get sick of hearing music from certain artists because their "formula" becomes to distinct and definied?!?! Why should it be any different with a stage lineup.
You never know what you are going to get at a party sometimes when speaking of people's energy level and experience that they are looking for. Sometimes it all falls into place, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you just have to go with what feels right even if it doesn't make sense from previous methodologies. You'll never get people to see something new and experience the magic/beauty tied into it if you never give it to them.
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I agree I too understand the whole flow thing and it does work.. but I don't really mind listening to the prog at night to ease into the party getting everyone built up, but so many times in the morning when a lot of people are ready to go, it will just drop off from full power to prog maybe at 6 am or even to more morning oriented fullon that early and frankly sometimes I'm still rip-roaring ready wile out at 7am and that's just not possible and its upsetting.. that should be saved for later time in the day like at least after 8 or 9 especially at a festival, when we've got all the time in the world. |
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Magox
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 01:42
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Different strokes for Different Folks...
Not everyone is going to be happy with the selection of the music %100 of the time. So I believe balance and maintaining that equilibrium is one of the most important aspects that an organizer has to look to.
I myself would like to see more Chill on the Mainstage. Some of the more quality music that is out there in my opinion is in the mid to down tempo genre...
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