normality, rules, borders and authenticity...

On 2009-03-09 19:10, bandarlog wrote:
It is the process of music making that is addictively awesome, not the result (to me).

On 2009-03-09 16:53, bukboy wrote:
May I ask how old pipe&slippers, drucdrac and x-rayz are? and what you guys do for a living? It sounds like you guys still think that idealism is more than just a human institution. Someone's idea of how things should be. Someone's curse to make naive persons chase after false gods, sometimes into old age.

Being a good Samaritan is pointless especially when the recipients aren't in a frame of mind to assess its value. So dudes have it your own way.

On 2009-03-10 01:15, Spindrift wrote:

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On 2009-03-07 20:43, bukboy wrote: pipe&slippers - making music for yourself is like playing bounce the ball against the garage wall. Pointless.

Music certainly is something that is best shared. Either by creating music with others, or simply by sharing it.
And of course sex is better than wanking, and there is not much point to wanking either...at least if you disqualify enjoyment from having a purpose. But still people keep on wanking.

But if you are making music for others, how to you actually provide something that really touches them?
Do you check what they are in to and try to sound like that?
Do you try to make something like they never heard before...something totslly new and unique?

I think that in the end both those approaches are not that great and will either make you sound like you have no ideas of you own or that you are just trying really hard to be different.
Maybe making the music just like you want it and enjoying doing it is the way to make something that provides real value to yourself as well as others?

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Elad wrote: there are rules in sound design such as clashing freqs or phase isue or masking sound but not for music writing. well there are scales , as close as it gets to rules.. as someone said , its not rules but guidelines tested thousands of times ....

I can't see that difference with production and music theory, and there is certainly more to music theory than scales.
Knowing the rules can be helpful, but if you produce and write music completely according to the rules which the theory dictate you get a dull result.
Regardless of if we are talking about frequencies as notes or the spectrum of a track, it often the little clashes that makes things interesting. This is part of music theory. Sure there are certain intervals that are particularly pleasing to the ears, but if you only use those you will have a totally bland melody. To make a melody that is at least remotely interesting you need both consonance and dissonance.
I think the same goes for production...it's many times slight frequency clashes and phase cancellations that actually makes a mix alive according to my ears.

Someone who has no idea what they are doing will create almost only dissonance and lots of frequency clashing, but slowly you learn what notes sounds good together and how to separate a mix. And theory and rules come in very handy to find that measure of structure that most people want in a piece of music.
But dissonance and frequency clashing is part of every track, even very harmonic melodies and extremely overproduced trance. The question is how much disharmony makes the track interesting and how much will just make it a mess.

On 2009-03-10 04:20, pipe&slippers wrote:

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On 2009-03-09 19:10, bandarlog wrote: It is the process of music making that is addictively awesome, not the result (to me).

end.of.thread.

Its like the journey to Ithaca.
Reaching your destination does not matter...it is the journey it self that holds every reward one could ever ask for.

On 2009-03-09 16:53, bukboy wrote:
May I ask how old pipe&slippers, drucdrac and x-rayz are? and what you guys do for a living? It sounds like you guys still think that idealism is more than just a human institution. Someone's idea of how things should be. Someone's curse to make naive persons chase after false gods, sometimes into old age.

Being a good Samaritan is pointless especially when the recipients aren't in a frame of mind to assess its value. So dudes have it your own way.

On 2009-03-08 16:06, pipe&slippers wrote:

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On 2009-03-07 20:43, bukboy wrote: pipe&slippers - making music for yourself is like playing bounce the ball against the garage wall. Pointless.

I would use a different analogy.
Making music to please others, as well as your self, is like dancing for your self and the crowd and no matter what you do, there is a routine involved in the dance.

Making music for your self, is dancing like nobody's watching.

On 2009-03-11 15:53, subconsciousmind wrote:
Brilliant!!
Which is why the music made for yourself is the best, also for others.

On 2009-03-11 15:57, x-rayz wrote:

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On 2009-03-11 15:53, subconsciousmind wrote: Brilliant!! Which is why the music made for yourself is the best, also for others.

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