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jizy
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Posted : Mar 8, 2009 04:25
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On 2009-03-07 20:43, bukboy wrote:
pipe&slippers - making music for yourself is like playing bounce the ball against the garage wall. Pointless.
More to the point - Beauty, happiness, purpose are all institutions that help us grow. People get very stuck on principles. Keep your eye on the ball.
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dam rite
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 8, 2009 06:19
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there are rules in sound design such as clashing freqs or phase isue or masking sound but not for music writing. well there are scales , as close as it gets to rules.. as someone said , its not rules but guidelines tested thousands of times ....
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drucdrac
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Posted : Mar 8, 2009 14:09
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About scales, the semitone scales aren't the only ones.
Microtonalities could be interesting.
I like to use well known musical modes (e.g. pentatonic) and microtonalities as well. 
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 8, 2009 16:06
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On 2009-03-07 20:43, bukboy wrote:
pipe&slippers - making music for yourself is like playing bounce the ball against the garage wall. Pointless.
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I would use a different analogy.
Making music to please others, as well as your self, is like dancing for your self and the crowd and no matter what you do, there is a routine involved in the dance.
Making music for your self, is dancing like nobody's watching.
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drucdrac
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Posted : Mar 9, 2009 14:58
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Making music for your self, is dancing like nobody's watching.
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+1
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x-rayz
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Posted : Mar 9, 2009 16:41
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 9, 2009 16:53
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May I ask how old pipe&slippers, drucdrac and x-rayz are? and what you guys do for a living? It sounds like you guys still think that idealism is more than just a human institution. Someone's idea of how things should be. Someone's curse to make naive persons chase after false gods, sometimes into old age.
Being a good Samaritan is pointless especially when the recipients aren't in a frame of mind to assess its value. So dudes have it your own way.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 9, 2009 17:52
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I am 31, I have a skatehop and manage a bar. Does ti matter? If I wanted to make money out of music, I would not choose a niche underground dance music sub genre, I'd scout for a good looking vocalist and write pop tunes, whilst telling them how to sing and what to say.
There is nothing wrong with making money out trance tunes, more power to ya if you make it so, but writting music that sells and making what you actually wanna be making without compromising for the consumers, are two different things.
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FaceHead
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Posted : Mar 9, 2009 17:54
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i have barked up this tree only to find out there was no end or begining in the trunk just an endless talk tree looping into infinity.
The only way to evolve and help nudge it is to make the music that is outta the norm, eventually people will like it and itll be a norm but by then youll already be weirder than ever.
Im gonna risk being blunt here but i feel that making music with the intenet behind it to feed the people what they are hungry for at that point in time will keep them stuck in that state of mind its when your mind experiences things weirder than its comprihension is it capable of stretching or........EXPANDING! ding ding ding so if your music was weird one day as soon as it becomes popular or a sub genre its time to bail out and pursue more advanced ways of getting to the people rather than just turning on some reruns and microwaving them a tv dinner.
You can get a dancefloor going with oldies, but then you got yourself a psychedelic tr,dance party. ha you thought i was gonna say trance then i didnt like BAM zing to the left .
Im calling for anyone who considers themselves fullon dark south african style prog or whatever category you choose to jam your creative spirit into to do the world and themselves a favor and abandon what you know to be the way. This is not to say that the old way is not ok just that its not the way of today. Leave these already established categories to make tunes that cant be described by saying a combination of subgenres.
We can still honor and learn from old ways of doing things but to continuously pump out track after track of the same sounding music is offensive to alot of us and is slowing the evolution of our scene and allowing for things like commercialism and rockstar image obsessions to slip into something pure.
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 9, 2009 17:59
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On 2009-03-07 20:43, bukboy wrote:
pipe&slippers - making music for yourself is like playing bounce the ball against the garage wall. Pointless.
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What happened to self expression? |
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x-rayz
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Posted : Mar 9, 2009 18:16
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On 2009-03-09 17:52, pipe&slippers wrote:
There is nothing wrong with making money out trance tunes, more power to ya if you make it so, but writting music that sells and making what you actually wanna be making without compromising for the consumers, are two different things.
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+1
Im 25 and dont make music for living..
I live to make music in my free time, which I dont have enough..
Its not that u cant combine both, write music that sells and live out of that and have some other project that's completely underground..
And as for age I can only say that u hear better when ur younger 
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bandarlog
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Posted : Mar 9, 2009 19:10
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On 2009-03-07 20:43, bukboy wrote:
pipe&slippers - making music for yourself is like playing bounce the ball against the garage wall. Pointless.
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And why would that be? I always ask people who are serious about what they're doing if they'd still be doing what they're doing if they would be on a deserted island for the rest of their lives. I'd still be making music. I have music that never saw the daylight and I value it as much as any of my music that is out there. It is the process of music making that is addictively awesome, not the result (to me). The recognition afterwards is at best good for your ego/motivation and at worse the first step to artistic compromises. If there were only external (extrinsic, is that correct?) motivations for me to make music I'd quit pretty fast I think.
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On 2009-03-09 17:54, FaceHead wrote: and microwaving them a tv dinner.
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lovely wordplay!
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Spindrift
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Posted : Mar 10, 2009 01:15
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On 2009-03-07 20:43, bukboy wrote:
pipe&slippers - making music for yourself is like playing bounce the ball against the garage wall. Pointless.
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Music certainly is something that is best shared. Either by creating music with others, or simply by sharing it.
And of course sex is better than wanking, and there is not much point to wanking either...at least if you disqualify enjoyment from having a purpose. But still people keep on wanking.
But if you are making music for others, how to you actually provide something that really touches them?
Do you check what they are in to and try to sound like that?
Do you try to make something like they never heard before...something totslly new and unique?
I think that in the end both those approaches are not that great and will either make you sound like you have no ideas of you own or that you are just trying really hard to be different.
Maybe making the music just like you want it and enjoying doing it is the way to make something that provides real value to yourself as well as others?
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Elad wrote:
there are rules in sound design such as clashing freqs or phase isue or masking sound but not for music writing. well there are scales , as close as it gets to rules.. as someone said , its not rules but guidelines tested thousands of times ....
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I can't see that difference with production and music theory, and there is certainly more to music theory than scales.
Knowing the rules can be helpful, but if you produce and write music completely according to the rules which the theory dictate you get a dull result.
Regardless of if we are talking about frequencies as notes or the spectrum of a track, it often the little clashes that makes things interesting. This is part of music theory. Sure there are certain intervals that are particularly pleasing to the ears, but if you only use those you will have a totally bland melody. To make a melody that is at least remotely interesting you need both consonance and dissonance.
I think the same goes for production...it's many times slight frequency clashes and phase cancellations that actually makes a mix alive according to my ears.
Someone who has no idea what they are doing will create almost only dissonance and lots of frequency clashing, but slowly you learn what notes sounds good together and how to separate a mix. And theory and rules come in very handy to find that measure of structure that most people want in a piece of music.
But dissonance and frequency clashing is part of every track, even very harmonic melodies and extremely overproduced trance. The question is how much disharmony makes the track interesting and how much will just make it a mess.
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 10, 2009 01:27
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On 2009-03-10 01:15, Spindrift wrote:
Music certainly is something that is best shared. Either by creating music with others, or simply by sharing it.
And of course sex is better than wanking, and there is not much point to wanking either...at least if you disqualify enjoyment from having a purpose. But still people keep on wanking.
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Aphex Twin stated in an interview that he only makes music for himself. I agree with him. Maybe we could all write something that someone else likes but we don't actually like ourselves. I just couldn't do that myself. I have to do jobs that I did not like and got no personal satisfaction out of. That's why I made a career change and are still working towards that. |
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 10, 2009 01:30
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I have heard many pieces of music which don't break any rules yet sound great.
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