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Posted : Mar 24, 2012 03:27:35
I know that most of psy basslines are from saw waves but which one do you prefer, the normal one or inverted saw? e.g. you can invert in sylenth, and sound is totally different at least with headphones.
I think I also read from somewhere that inverting some tracks waveform (the whole track not just only synth waveform before filters) can improve sound quality in certain conditions. I think this had something to do with mixing or mastering, does anybody know what is this about?
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Posted : Mar 24, 2012 12:16
adjusting/inverting phase is a technic used when you record something with multiple mics ,i think it s what you mean with inverting waveform in mixing. if you wanna know more google multi mic phase alignment
in mastering it s not used or maybe in some really special case..
i dont know this really well but if you invert the phase/ wavform the speaker woofer will move in the oposite direction i think , ...if it can be a problem especially on a bassline no idea..what ever sound good in the end.... but when a bassline sound good, inverting the phase can make it sound really weird...
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Posted : Mar 24, 2012 21:30
this sorta thing ay 0.52?
the inverted is becuase the sylenth doent come with its own PWM, so inverting then using the phase dial will give u that PWM result? its what its purpose is bieng there i think.
just an example of the use of inverted. works better on the square.
if this doesnt answer ya question least ya now kno how to cheat a pulse width modulator buy using inverted switch
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Posted : Mar 24, 2012 21:59
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On 2012-03-24 03:27:35, golem wrote:
I know that most of psy basslines are from saw waves but which one do you prefer, the normal one or inverted saw? e.g. you can invert in sylenth, and sound is totally different at least with headphones.
I think I also read from somewhere that inverting some tracks waveform (the whole track not just only synth waveform before filters) can improve sound quality in certain conditions. I think this had something to do with mixing or mastering, does anybody know what is this about?
i am aware that, if retrigger is on and you turn the phase this will give u the waves starting point,,, so its good if ya bass lacks any click in the mix. its all here tho
Retrigger and Phase
The Retrigger button can be used to force all voices to start at the exact
same location on the waveform every time a new note is played. That
location can be changed using the Phase knob. If Phase is set to 0, the voices
will restart at the beginning of the waveform period. If it is set to 180
degrees, the voices will start halfway the period, while setting it to 360
degrees will make them start at the end of the waveform, which is equivalent
to the beginning.
The phase setting cannot be heard if there’s only one oscillator active, but as
soon as there are two or more oscillators running at the same pitch and both
have the retrigger button enabled, you can create useful effects with it. You
can accentuate the level of bass tones for example, or create PWM-like
effects by modulating the phase of one of the oscillators.
Inv
The Inv button inverts the oscillator’s output. This can be useful when creating PWM-like sound effects.For example, if you add two saw oscillators and invert one of them, the resulting waveform will be a pulse. You can then adjust the pulse width by changing the phase of one of the oscillators.
so all ya doing is turning the waveform back to front when u invert it,(saw),there 4 ya might loose sum its natural punch, the phase dial however is handy when retrigger is on.
regarding the other questiom not sure, im aware that Ozones stereo imager has sum phase swapping tools n funtions that sumtimes makes a big difference on multiple sounds
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Posted : Mar 24, 2012 22:09
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On 2012-03-24 12:16, PoM wrote:
adjusting/inverting phase is a technic used when you record something with multiple mics ,i think it s what you mean with inverting waveform in mixing. if you wanna know more google multi mic phase alignment
in mastering it s not used or maybe in some really special case..
i dont know this really well but if you invert the phase/ wavform the speaker woofer will move in the oposite direction i think , ...if it can be a problem especially on a bassline no idea..what ever sound good in the end.... but when a bassline sound good, inverting the phase can make it sound really weird...
the mic thing your talking about is the old school M/S processing
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Posted : Mar 25, 2012 16:02
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On 2012-03-24 22:09, jizy wrote:
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On 2012-03-24 12:16, PoM wrote:
adjusting/inverting phase is a technic used when you record something with multiple mics ,i think it s what you mean with inverting waveform in mixing. if you wanna know more google multi mic phase alignment
in mastering it s not used or maybe in some really special case..
i dont know this really well but if you invert the phase/ wavform the speaker woofer will move in the oposite direction i think , ...if it can be a problem especially on a bassline no idea..what ever sound good in the end.... but when a bassline sound good, inverting the phase can make it sound really weird...
the mic thing your talking about is the old school M/S processing
Has nothing to do with M/S ..its just when you double mic a snare from top and bottom you switch one phase to not let them cancel each other out..snare is always mono , so no side signal at all -------......-------...-..-..-..-.-.-.-.-
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