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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 11:40:33
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Is it true that the modulars envelopes arent fast enough?.. Im tryin to make a fast snappy lead (1/32notes or smaller) at say 145 bpm and it sounds out of sync (not like half a beat but just slightly enough to notice)with the rest of the project .. anyone knows why? is it midi latency or is it normal?
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 12:35
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1 You have to setup your latency option on your sound card...set as close to 4 ms and all will be fine...do not set 1ms... because your pc will work slowly.....
2 Check in your Oscilator ATACK KNOB ...if this slappy its have to be 0 and RELEASE knob make little bit shortly!
here is the topic...
http://forum.isratrance.com/quad-dual-daul-core-proccesors-and-cpu-overload-in-your-sequenser/ check this you will find your answer...with latency sub question!!!!!!
also if this not helps...make something more simple...just record it and straight it manual ...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 22:36
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It could be MIDI latency. You can find out what the latency is by recording a stereo file thus:
Left channel: regular click (ie. 8th notes)
Right channel: NMM playing same rhythm as click
When you look at the waveform, the right channel will be delayed with respect to the right. This delay is the combined MIDI latency of your system and the NMM. MIDI jitter shows up as a variation in the delay from note to note. By looking carefully you can figure out the average delay between the two, either in ms or in samples. Then go to the MIDI latency setting in your DAW (eg. in on of the audio setup windows in SX) and enter this figure, with a '-' in front of it so the latency is compensated for.
Next record another test file and see if what you've done has improved things.
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 13:10
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hey Colin tnks for ur input but where exactly do i need to add the figure in cubase to compensate for the latency??
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 12, 2008 01:44
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Posted : Jul 12, 2008 15:06
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As i understand this record placement offset will affect only external synths? I have a virus ti and it dosnt exhibit the problem probably because its handled as a vsti more then a external synth if im correct? and this compensation will only be noticable on recording not on bouncing right?
However the record placement offset dosnt solve the problem of listening to the synth spot on or does it..?
Im currently using a Midi gate to work around this issue and doing the exercise u mentioned shows that the this works better..
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Posted : Jul 14, 2008 00:41
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On 2008-07-12 15:06, Audio Plague wrote:
As i understand this record placement offset will affect only external synths? I have a virus ti and it dosnt exhibit the problem probably because its handled as a vsti more then a external synth if im correct? and this compensation will only be noticable on recording not on bouncing right? |
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I think I made a mistake; the Record Placement Offset seems only to refer to adjusting where audio ends up if it's been recorded with a soundcard that doesn't report its latency correctly, or if you're monitoring incoming audio through a plugin - nothing to do with MIDI latency... sorry!
MIDI accuracy can only be changed in SX by adjusting the Audio Priority settings... although I think these may be more likely to decrease jitter rather than latency. To compensate for MIDI latency when playing back a MIDI track into your NMM you need to find the MIDI latency in ms as described in my first post and enter its negative in the MIDI track's Delay setting (in the Inspector) or set your NMM up as an External Instrument (in the VST Connections window - check out page 37 of the Cubase SX/SL Manual Addendum for more details) and select it from the MIDI track's VSTi menu.
I think the best way of recording your NMM into the computer would be first to record and edit what you want it to play using a MIDI track. Find the MIDI latency of the system and either set the NMM up as an external instrument or compensate manually in the Inspector. Then when you play back the MIDI track and record the NMM output, it should be recorded in sync.
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Im currently using a Midi gate to work around this issue and doing the exercise u mentioned shows that the this works better..
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Sounds interesting. How exactly are you doing this?
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Posted : Jul 14, 2008 08:36
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Well i have a long sustained note playing in the NMM midi track.. then i simply add Cubase Midi Gate in the Audio Channel from where the NMM sound is coming and i open another midi track where i set its Out to be the Midi Gate.. so by default all notes are set to off unless i put in some notes on the midi track (with the midi gate).... thus controlling the pattern or lead with the midi gate rather then on the NMM's midi track. I find that this way the notes are more spot on . Since the midi gate can be added on any audio track , it can obviously be used on any audio sample with good sustain or release..
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Posted : Jul 14, 2008 14:27
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Ah I see. Yes this would obviously improve timing as the MIDI Gate a VSTi, although you will lose all other attack characteristics from the NMM.
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This is why the NMM is sounding delayed; you are monitoring it through an Audio Track in Cubase. Therefore the sound is being delayed by the input latency of your soundcard. You can reduce this by making the soundcard latency smaller but you will never get it to zero this way. You can compensate manually as I described above but the latency here is dependant on the plugins you have on the NMM audio channel; try turning off the delay compensation button on the toolbar in the arrange window. You can remove the latency altogether by monitoring the NMM through a mixer or by using ASIO Direct Monitoring through your soundcard.
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 09:37
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yes.. after doing a little research ive found out asio direct monitoring will offer 0 latency so i guess either that or an external mixer is my best bet.. Anyway tnks for your input Mr Colin..
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 13:05
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Yes, Direct Monitoring is your best bet. I am fortunate enough that the latency compensation adjusts the audio automatically when I record, so I never have to hear or see any latency with my hardware synths.
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