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NORD LEAD VS VST ?
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Analog Xperience
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 07:38
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well between hardware and vst ... pff let the vst stay on the cd ... and get use to the real world .. i wouldn't never compares the quality of one nordlead to discodsp ... NEVER ... nordlead for me is the best sinth to twiste the knobs until the noise out like from hell ... nothing like that for me ... |
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N-A-S-A
Nasa/The Gnome Effect
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 09:27
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 12:08
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 16:18
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Of course you can get a good sound from VSTi's, but for me it takes a lot more time to get VSTi-sounds to settle in the mix. Especially with bass-sounds i find there is a huge difference between VSTi's and hardware or DSP synths. I guess it has to do with the number of discrete sine-waves that are used to create the final waveform. Most hardware sounds seem to have a higher resolution, making them clear and well-defined. Most softsynths produce an mp3 version imho. |
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WAVELOGIX
Wavelogix
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 17:04
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lol ..... roflmao .... mp3 version ....
now this is the ultimate statement in utter respect of vsti fidelity !!!!
come on guys ..... lets just keep it to the vsti domain , which was only invented bcoz eveeryone couldnt afford hardware ....
if some jack asses think they can replace some hardware with vsti , well in my opinion the time 4 tht has just not arrived !
well as colin oood says .... if u dont get good sound frn the vsti , u simply arent tring hard enuff ....
well mate , answer this ....
if i hear albino produce a square wave .... how am i supposed to try hard to hear the square wave in much better sound or fidelity ??
i think it all depends on the coding of the vsti .... thts wat makes zeta and reaktor stand apart !
at the most the user can do is learn the synth completely and try to make as many different sounds as possible frm the same synth ... which will ultimately lead to his better understanding of the enitre synthesis subject !
respect ... boom !
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 19:58
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On 2004-10-16 17:04, Global Trance Network wrote:
..... lets just keep it to the vsti domain , which was only invented bcoz eveeryone couldnt afford hardware .... |
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Er... incorrect. VSTis were invented because someone thought it would be a neat idea.
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| if some jack asses think they can replace some hardware with vsti , well in my opinion the time 4 tht has just not arrived ! |
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Are you calling me a jackass? Hm... that adds weight to your argument. NOT.
The fact is that me and several other artists you'll have heard of and respect all manage to make and release tracks using only virtual synths.
As for hearing an Albino square wave in better sound quality, I think you're confused... I was talking about actually getting good sounds from VSTis, not just listening to them. And besides, I think you're mistaking 'better' for 'different'.
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| i think it all depends on the coding of the vsti .... thts wat makes zeta and reaktor stand apart ! |
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You're contradicting yourself here. Either you think VSTis are crap compared to hardware or you don't; which is it?
By the way, all the hardware people talk about most - Virus, Nord, Waldorf, etc - is only software anyway (albeit software running on dedicated processors)... you run the same software as a VSTi and it will sound identical. End of story.
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WAVELOGIX
Wavelogix
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 22:32
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well colin mate ..... i never meant / said anytihng with a personal touch to u ....
PLS DONT MISUNDERSTAND ME !
and regarding the zeta and reaktor quality ...
well i meant to say .... tht as we speak of the software realm ..... zeta and reaktor stand apart frm other vsti ....
i dont compare zeta and reaktor to hardware ...
hope u will understand me .....
i dont want to start an argument bcoz i RESPECT YOU ....
and btw , as u speak of dsp chips where the code is actually hardwired in to the chips ....
well its the chips tht make all the difference ....
u will know wat im saying if u ever came across pro tools le and pro tools hd systems ...
pro tools is the same ... but the mix farm cards make all the difference ....
so only code dosent matter .... on what interface it runs is most important ....
u tell me ..... y dont lexicon reverb processors and the lexicon psp 84 reverb vst dont sound the same ??
hope u got wat im trying to say !
respect ... boom !
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Patrik
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 23:08
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hey boyz cool down dont start that VST vs Hardware war again  just use the one you get good results with hehehe |
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§ervellen
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Posted : Oct 17, 2004 11:52
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I have a Nord Rack II and the Disco Discovery Nord II version. I was suprised how good the Disco sounds, it is very similar, i tried tuning all the button and settings the same, but it sounded different,, maybei missed something.
But generally the Nord II sounds much fatter, and has a slightly different quality than my softsynths, also it is much more fun to twist the buttons on it while you record your midi to audio, have never been able to do that very well with softsynths even if you use controller nobs to adjust things. |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 09:02
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Of course i don't know all VSTi synths, but i tried most of them. All i know is that getting a Virus synth was one of the best descisions i ever made. For basses and leads, it just sounds WAY better then all the VSTi's i tried. For the rest (pads, samplers, weirdness, alternative kinds of synthesis) i still use Reaktor a lot since you can do things with it you can't do with most hardware synths. So i guess both VSTi's and hardware synths have their uses. But if you don't have a hardware synth i would seriously consider trying one (maybe borrowing one from a friend) and seeing what it can do for you, maybe you find out that VSTi's are just as good or better, but at least then you're sure. |
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aykondour
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 12:12
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Nord , no doubth
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EYB
Noized
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 12:53
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Discovery, no doubth
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psypox
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Posted : Oct 20, 2004 09:55
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ketzah
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Posted : Oct 23, 2004 20:10
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 Ups I own a Nordlead, and didn´t knew about discovery synth  Anyway, It´s really nice to play live my ferrari |
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evp
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Posted : Oct 25, 2004 12:39
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I been using nord 1 since 96!!
got nord 1, been using the nord rack plugin - its killer, amazing sound for a plugin. I have begun writing now using just my laptop, Nord rack 2, Albino and Tera 2. Mate the music is getting RUDE with these synths. My favourite thing about these software synths is that there is no added noisefloor when sampling, so maximum dynamic range , also sampling them and you can route them straight to plugin fx in realtime, try doing that with the noisy outboard!! The type of sound these mathmatical recreations will give depends on your converters which means they will only sound as good as the outputing equipment - but if thats expensive, they will sound that way too.
I am getting used to this improved dynamic range in my music, and ease of transportation (Nord 1 is HEAVY for its size) Scorbs entire album is software so that should silence a few!
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