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Nord Lead 2X, Virus, or should I get a hardware synth at all?
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Bacchanale666
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Posted : Apr 23, 2013 00:09
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Alright, what about the Waldorf Blofeld or the Waldorf Q ?
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Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Apr 23, 2013 00:15
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if you want my opinion go for a nord rack. you cant go wrong with this one!
is cheap and if you buy something else in the future you will still use it...
especially if this will gonna be your first hard synth another + cause you can work with it, learn and understand the whole thing with hardware and after some time you can see what type of sound do you search from a synth. i told that cause with this money you will buy a really great synth.
if you thinking to give much money for a synth you have to be very sure what type of sound do you want.
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Bacchanale666
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Posted : Apr 23, 2013 00:23
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Or even the Waldorf Pulse 2?
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Bacchanale666
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Posted : Apr 23, 2013 01:47
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Woah, found a Nord Rack 2X for $642
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 23, 2013 13:45
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On 2013-04-22 19:21, Nectarios wrote:
You can't measure a Moog synth by the measure of its different filters.
The Phatties have 4 different low pass filters, which change the sound a lot. But again, the number of filter outputs is not the measure by which a good analog synth is measured. Its the sound that comes with it.
Its all about combining what you like from both worlds, and using it to make something interesting, whether it is unique, or not.
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Yeah, I know the Moog is a very lush sounding synthesizer - any of them. The low end alone gets me scratching my head when I ear the demos nowadays. But back when I was starting out, it was all about having a huge amount of modulation options for me.
What you say about combining both worlds is so true: it still holds when your combining digital with digital. For example: I love the sound of the Korg Prophecy going through the Virus for extra processing. I've used FM8 with the Virus's filters and fx - with some great results. This way of thinking (which shares a resemblance with modular) offers some great and unexpected results, and brings one closer to his own signature sound for sure. And it's great fun to.
As far as the new line of analogue mono synthesizers go, I think he Korg MS 20 is a killer. Just wonder why Roland doesn't jump into this "reincarnation" game. They're letting other companies do it for them with the many 303 clones out there. So, the SH101 would be a total killer like the Korg.
Overall, analogue monos: I'd say Korg MS 20, Moog Sub Phaty. One that's out of production, but recently, the DSI (Dave Smith) MEK (Mono Evolver Keyboard), which is a hybrid, is a nice one since it has both analogue and digital oscillators on the same synthesizer and sounds wonderful (to my ears at least)... Pulse 2, looks like a black and green Blofeld, never heard a single sound demo, and it's constantly being delayed. I think you can't go wrong with the Korg or Moog, to be honest.
The Blofeld is a great synthesizer, sounds very good, has all the classic wavetables of their previous legendary models, plenty of modulation options, LFOs go into audio range, can be used for FM...
But, the interface doesn't feel anything like the Virus (desktop) or the Nord Lead, as far as "hands on" go...
Waldorf Q is a lovely synthesizer with a very good interface with lots of knobs on it. About that: the Virus's and Waldorf's keyboards are very good - if you're also thinking about getting a nice keyboard, they both have after touch functionality and feel just right.
(see the Mooger Fooger 102 (ring) go cheap, used, feeling god damn tempted to get it lol, gas gas gas)
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 23, 2013 14:50
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it depends the needs but i would pick a synth that can fm sync and ring if possible with maybe a mf101.
when i jam at least half of my sounds if not more use fm on vco / filter .. and with fm i don t mean only stuff similar to classic fm nord leads ect.. but lot of the time its dialed in on spots that you dont really notice the vco is fmed, it s just to make it more metallic or stuff like that,but you dont really hear the modulation.
analog fm is really the priorty after modulation flexibilty imo if you like fm like me for goa, forest trance..then it s syncro and ring .
if you want to cover a lot of ground with just one synth.
also really a plus if the synth is open to the oustise world with cvs i/o
synth i would be intrested in ob sem pro, fr xs ,micromac,Se boomstar , ms20 and moog sub phatty if a mod is made for cvs i/o also maybe the mfb dominion stuff.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 23, 2013 15:37
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my top pick personnaly would be sem patch or pro and boomstar moog in that list (have already Xs that i recomend too)
sem can sound fantastic (maybe a bit bright )but dunno about the modulation if it can fm..boomstar moog seems to sound more to my taste than anything moog have made in recent years and it can fm with vcos and more..
also the dark energy that i forget that could be good addition but it may need a few modules for better flexibilty when used with others synth ,for controlling modulation amounts for example
or eurocrack..that would be best opion i guess but most expensive.. pick the filters the oscs you like.;make your dream synth  |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 23, 2013 15:59
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zabot
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Posted : Apr 23, 2013 18:43
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I bought, a nord rack 2 in second and 2 months ago for 380 € and i love it, the filters sounds very warm and easy to make everything from scratch. the only bad thing is we don´t have fx on nord... but with 100 € we can bought some fx rack like this one
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/FX2000.aspx
problem solved :)
just to say i highly recommend the nord 2
cheers!
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 30, 2013 22:07
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Anyone here tried the Discovery Pro R6?
It's got brand new filters, inspired on the Nord Lead and they say it's "zero delay feedback" - should sound a lot closer to the infamous synthesizer we've been talking about here.
Another great feature that might be overlooked, is that you can import your own waves and the pad synthesis (which I have no clue as to how it works under the wood...) produces one thing I find to be great: it loops any piece of audio, say a voice, without you being able to tell when the loop recycles. That's already very handy, right? But now they allow you to use this for FM as well.  |
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metamorphosis music
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Posted : May 1, 2013 00:06
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i played with it some, its got some nice features, but soundwise it will never compare to the nord, all these plugin emulations are like watching porn where the hardware shes there with u n gives you that ooo yeh baby that u can feeeel not just see n hear  https://soundcloud.com/alon-chen |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : May 1, 2013 02:36
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Are you sure it was version 6? it's quite recent. the update costs about 20€. I know it doesn't compare to the original, but that's hardly the point... It's got some features the Nord doesn't have, like "being able to sync lfo to host tempo" XD!! |
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metamorphosis music
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Posted : May 1, 2013 12:42
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yes got the newest 6.1 release,fav thing about it is all the filter types that cn make some cool unique sounds, you can sync a nord lfo to midi clock but its a much more complex process
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frisbeehead
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Posted : May 2, 2013 00:53
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Yeah, it's a very cool synthesizer. What do you say about the new filters they've implemented? I think most developers are employing better algorithms now - in order to keep in pace with such things as Diva. |
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metamorphosis music
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Posted : May 2, 2013 18:00
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there pretty good, id say worth upgrade if u got discovery, they tryed to make it sound more nordy which does little bit but still very digital sounding compared to the hardware, but digital sounds also have there place in the mix n discovery is more flexible, never heard of that diva just checked some samples niceee!
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