Nord Lead 2X, Virus, or should I get a hardware synth at all?
PsYmOrPh
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 17:21
i had nord rack 2x, ok! hardware is hardware, but if to choice now i prefer to bought virus C or Ti, with Disco dsp discovery u can do the same in nord 2x
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 17:38
you could also say than sylenth massive ect sound similar to the virus, it even seems sylenth sound better for some user..really down to personal preference.. after it s my opinion, but i think nord sound is more unic so more desirable as hardware synth
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 17:54
respect ya opinion but do similar? dont b silly there - sylenth is nuthin in comparison.....
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 18:16
dont think nething compares to anything. discovery not to nord lead, sylenth to virus..every synth is different sound and personality that are good for different things. will say though that never heard a soft synth that didnt sound well soft, but some have such great unique personality, lik i still find use for old school synths like vanguard and can just beef em up with some analog style fx, ne synth chose just comes down 2 what tickles ur fancy
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 18:35
The FM sounds with Spectral Waveforms on the Virus are getting used quite a bit. Although Sylenth does nothing that comes even close to those Virus sounds, you get close with Logic's ES2. Again different sound, but equally good.
The virtual analog side of the Virus with classic waveforms, does not sound as good Sylenth's, or ES2 or even Massive's. But frequency modulating the Virus' spectral waveforms, which are not the class PPG wavetables, give me some proper ripping sounds. Then I replace the Virus filters with Soundtoyz filterfreak which, to my ears, sound a lot more appealing.
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 19:04
Yep, also use that kind of FM sound on the Virus a lot. I do like the sound of its filters, specially when using the analogue coupled with another one in series. Also like to introduce some filter distortion with the filter envelope, produces some very unique tones I don't easily get with any other synthesizer - the filter + modulated distortion amount combo I mean.
The spectral waves used as LFO shapes are also very unique. You don't get that kind of modulation options even on most recent plug-ins, that's for sure. Massive is pretty good on that department, and so is Zebra, for example.
I think the fx also sound very good, and even if someone can find better ones, these are totally integrated into the synthesis engine, which means the parameters are all available as modulation destinations - and this allows one to integrate them into sound design, rather then post-processing stuff. I think this is quite important for someone who's thinking about buying the Virus or Nord (like the topic here). In this department, sylenth feels weak and could never reach the level of complexity or depth you get with the virus - specially if we're talking the ti range.
And I think this synthesizers we're talking about will eventually be thought of, some years from now, the same way people talk about sh 101 or korg ms 20 - they offer many options for a somewhat affordable price, and that's what most musicians are looking for. That's why I don't have a moog, for example, so much money for a low pass filter (even though a very very good one, I know) and that's it for filters. People usually go for bread and butter synthesizers with good physical interfaces and lots of options for their first choices, and later can add some real analogue to the mix to bring the electric circuitry sound into the mix, I think.
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 19:21
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On 2013-04-22 19:04, frisbeehead wrote:
...That's why I don't have a moog, for example, so much money for a low pass filter (even though a very very good one, I know) and that's it for filters.
You can't measure a Moog synth by the measure of its different filters.
The Phatties have 4 different low pass filters, which change the sound a lot. But again, the number of filter outputs is not the measure by which a good analog synth is measured. Its the sound that comes with it.
And on top of that, you can have a plug in multimode filter like the Soundtoyz filter freak. I have many times recorded raw Moog VCOs and then use the band/high pass filter of the Soundtoyz Filterfreak. It has a great LFO that sync to tempo and generally quite a few modulation options. Its these little things that I look for signature sounds as well. I don't know of many people that record the VCOs of the Slim Phatty twice for stereo (and total count of 4 VCOs) and then use multimode plug in filters that are modulated by an LFO that sync to tempo, with a varitey of LFO waveforms. Again, besides the stuff that the Moog can do on its own with its great low pass filter, I have two brilliant sounding VCOs (5 if you count the 2 VCOs on the Minitaur and single VCO of the x0xb0x) to use as waveform generators to process with plug ins later. Or vice versa for digital sound generators (with spectral waveforms that did not cost the asking price of the TI), to put through the Moog filter/Moogerfoofers.
Its all about combining what you like from both worlds, and using it to make something interesting, whether it is unique, or not.
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 22:09
So reading this thread + looking at some of the more recent analog re-releases. The MS-20 Mini looks lovely (always loved MS-20 squelches) but the Moog Sub Phatty - am I missing something?
I can't seem to find any downsides to it, and it's pretty cheap. Seems to good to be true.
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 22:33
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On 2013-04-22 22:09, loki wrote:
So reading this thread + looking at some of the more recent analog re-releases. The MS-20 Mini looks lovely (always loved MS-20 squelches) but the Moog Sub Phatty - am I missing something?
I can't seem to find any downsides to it, and it's pretty cheap. Seems to good to be true.
I would have ages of happiness with a SubPhatty and an MS-20 Mini.
As far as monos go, you cover an awful lot of ground with them, varying pole low pass filter leads, FX, percussive sounds, Ring Modulation, kicks, basic FM on a self oscillating VCF, from free running VCO bass and including analog trance basslines with phase re-trigger.
All with the unique character these synths have.
Actually if I was starting a studio again on a budget, the SubPhatty and MS-20 Mini (I still need to make sure the MS-20 Mini signal to noise ratio is good, I know its brilliant on the Slim Phatty and Minitaur) would be my first choices. Not because they are analog, but because they sound brilliant, are flexible enough and are cost effective (relatively), hardware synths.
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 23:06
for wavetable you should definelty think to waldorf guys ! i enjoyed the one in the virus..but it s supposed to be kinda crap from what waldorf users were saying back in the days, i know nectarios used both would be intresting to hear what he think about this.
the old waldorfs that are supposed to be the best ( like always..) can have lot of encoders issue..otherwise i think i would already own one,still think to it... i like how the top can sound nice
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 23:16
The Waldorf wavetables are the standard to which wavetable oscillators, are measured against.
The thing is that the Virus is that is has its FM modes that allow for some ripping dark FM leads that complement the harsh old school Nord Lead ones that were used in some classic goa tunes.
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 23:18
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On 2013-04-22 23:16, Nectarios wrote:
The Waldorf wavetables are the standard to which wavetable oscillators, are measured against.
The thing is that the Virus is that is has its FM modes that allow for some ripping dark FM leads that complement the harsh old school Nord Lead ones that were used in some classic goa tunes.
The PPG wavetables have been all over pop music when the PPG was released.
can also use the left or right input to the fm ciruit to add feedback for the oscillator
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 23:23
what about the fm on some waldorf? prbably depends the specific synth but would not be suprised if it s kinda more like nord than virus, but maybe cleaner
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 23:36
in these demo there is some patch i really enjoy..kind of digital and proud of it sound..
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 23:46
there is some fm patch that sound great ^^...seriously for me i think it would be one of my fav Va .
remind me time trying this in stores..it was costing a fortune
- sylenth is nuthin in comparison.....
