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Nord Lead 2X, Virus, or should I get a hardware synth at all?
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makus
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 10:37
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On 2013-04-19 17:48, frisbeehead wrote:
I see... and how are you liking it? compared to the 2x?
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sound-wise it is hard to tell because i sold 2x in 2007 and got the first nord only 2 weeks ago.
in the end both are all good old nord leads... with LOTS of character, amazingly well built, nice knobs etc. world class machine, can't go wrong with it.
i will probably get b/c virus also when have some free cash
 
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 14:05
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there is more synths in existance than these 2 guys..will never understand this scene, guys use all the same setups to sound all the same, there is a cruel lack of orinagilty imo ..thought now it moved more to plugins and there is some really intresting ones. |
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makus
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 14:23
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of course there are also sh101 and 303 
dude nord is just a classic (and especially for psytrance), it is like mozart!
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woodster77
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 15:08
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On 2013-04-20 14:05, PoM wrote:
there is more synths in existance than these 2 guys..will never understand this scene, guys use all the same setups to sound all the same, there is a cruel lack of orinagilty imo ..thought now it moved more to plugins and there is some really intresting ones.
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Its easier to sound the same with an SH-101 and a TB-303 than it is to sound with a Nord Lead and a Virus.
For me its not a question of choosing either/or, its about having both digital and analog and then get creative with the programming.
With regards, to psy-trance, the Nord Lead is a classic, as much as the old Roland synths.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 15:13
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On 2013-04-20 14:23, makus wrote:
of course there are also sh101 and 303
dude nord is just a classic (and especially for psytrance), it is like mozart!
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303 101 hehe  but was thinking to more obscure less known synths , there is lot to explore . |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 15:15
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there is always some for sale for a bit less around here normal price is 500 euros , price he sale it is still good but with shiping. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 05:53
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On 2013-04-20 14:05, PoM wrote:
there is more synths in existance than these 2 guys..will never understand this scene, guys use all the same setups to sound all the same, there is a cruel lack of orinagilty imo ..thought now it moved more to plugins and there is some really intresting ones.
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In a way that's true. But it's like saying we all wear the same brands of clothing or something. It's the industrialized world. And the settings on this two, plus the sound and specs are really tempting...
But I really think it's the musician that counts, not so much the equipment used eheh
Yeah, but I totally get what you're saying. It's like when people say Massive invented dubstep or something. Because everybody's using it to make the same sort of sounds. But I make my psybass with it, along with many sounds that sound nothing like growling bass, so... |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 13:43
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it s always who and how the tools are used...but not only ,tools matters the way they inspure us, the sound they lead you to create ect... some of the producers i respect the most have some more exotic setups for example , like posford the X dream guys, i think it contribute to make their sound/music more unic. (even if it would still be unic with nords and virus all over the place, it would not be the same to me..their tools contribute to give them their sound ,sound that you can t remake exclaty the same wihtout using the same stuff used)
the main problem is that people are not intrested about getting their own sound, they make music to sound like this or that today..kind of fanboy music, maybe it always been the case dunno ..and what make it appear worst is the access to everyone who own a computer can make music..this is not really art to me, in a way it make me think to chinese that remake some paints to sell them cheap. |
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Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 13:47
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all tools are welcome when the inspiration is in high level 
...into the wild.... |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 14:16
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about the nords the 2x sound cleaner more hifi kind of what were are used with plugin, while the old 2 sound more gritty and raw cause of the old da.
both good but both different.
what people like in hardware va is definelty a big part cause of the da/ and maybe analog stage.. with a clean Da it s sound similar to what we are used in plugins,not suprising as it s the same technology ..
people that think hardware va is better it s cause of Da coloration i think.. but i feel technically plugins are better than lot of hardware synth (aliasing,filters...)
already did some test in the past by making ad/da loops with plugins bounce ,it will depends a lot about the converters, but the ad/da loops can sound better than the direct bounce..but to really make a difference you would need to run in old grungy converters.. but forget lush hifi sound.. (that old hardware va dont have )
some old da can probably smooth transient cause of the filter, making it more plesaing to the ears i feel..also a friend explained me that a bit of aliasing can make the highs appear to sound better |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 16:30
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I know what you're saying, but I think the uniqueness in Simon's music comes from his imagination more then the tools. I mean, the Korg MS 20 and the Roland SH 101 aren't exactly odd choices. The OSCar is another very famous mono synth. The Eventide? Oh well, I think he uses pretty standard tools if you ask me.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 16:44
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agree it s mostly the mind behind it.. but these standar tools ,90% of psy producers dont have them contribuing at making his sounds more unic, dunno if he changed his mind on this but it seems he really apreciate the sound of some analog or eventides, so for him i m sure his tools matter a lot. (also cause some of his tools he use them since so long that he know them inside out..) |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 16:46
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On 2013-04-22 14:16, PoM wrote:
about the nords the 2x sound cleaner more hifi kind of what were are used with plugin, while the old 2 sound more gritty and raw cause of the old da.
both good but both different.
what people like in hardware va is definelty a big part cause of the da/ and maybe analog stage.. with a clean Da it s sound similar to what we are used in plugins,not suprising as it s the same technology ..
people that think hardware va is better it s cause of Da coloration i think.. but i feel technically plugins are better than lot of hardware synth (aliasing,filters...)
already did some test in the past by making ad/da loops with plugins bounce ,it will depends a lot about the converters, but the ad/da loops can sound better than the direct bounce..but to really make a difference you would need to run in old grungy converters.. but forget lush hifi sound.. (that old hardware va dont have )
some old da can probably smooth transient cause of the filter, making it more plesaing to the ears i feel..also a friend explained me that a bit of aliasing can make the highs appear to sound better
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What you're saying about the converters is true! What we call character, sometimes, is just coloration on the signal path. And errors play a part of it to, even on the Mini Moog and the all mighty 303 - those filters were not meant to be like that.
Some people also say the Virus A sounds better the B, C sounds better then TI - while I know for a fact it's only the converters that got better, even the bit depth. It's the same about the Nord Lead. Some people say the Korg MS 2000 sounds better then the Radias (same story again, same source code, couple of extra features..)
And I think this machines sound better then plug-ins, even today. We're talking companies with a lot of experience and code that has been reviewed to perfection. |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 16:48
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true true, now the question is if it s possible to mimic the sound of the old converters to some extent with effect/processing.. to make a 2x Sound like a 2, probably possible to get quite close with bit reduction, lp the top maybe..and maybe adding more gritt
old plugins share a similar sound to old va to me,maybe lower in quality though.. for example logic synth ,reaktor or vaz modular have something similar into their sound..maybe some tal snth too.. and probably old rgc audio plugs..the artifacts,old algorythms i dunno what make the sound less polished/plastic than newer stuff..
but today taste (at least for me) are more about lush sound, silky highs ect it seems..for example making a tune 100% with a old nord it s not the sound i would be after right now even if i like it a lot. |
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