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index
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 10:10
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 10:24
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Talked about it in the past,the Isratrance team said that they have the right to choose how to call themself,we cant do anything about it so we just have to live with it.
Ofcourse according this policy i can easily declare myself as citizen of Detox Republic and make a new flag and demand from the forum to put it in the options so it can be available to me and my followers...
Anyway the United Nations and the European Union recognised them ONLY as FYROM so no worries.
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diskOtek
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 11:45
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im not racist or these shit too!
but wtf...i dont like it when someone doesnt respect NOT history and stuff but at least other people who are being with him in a small community as this forum.
he(they) probably knows some greeks r here too!!
i m from thessaloniki and from respect dont write anything about macedonia or macedonians.and i m a un "recognised" macedonian.
ok,its recognised by un and eu but why they use it then...
this is propaganda as index says!
but cant do anything,its up to the person if they do it or not!
and title of the topic sticks perfectly! 
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euphoria
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 12:10
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every 1-2 months we have this going on at isratrance. I will follow what DETOX said. It sounds realy stupid...they can call themselves "as ever they wish to" and at the same time we are the racists.
But times are becoming very unstable again.Cosovo will become the center of a huge conflict very soon. When the UCK will rise the demands of a "great country" again, then i guess that our neighbours will have to back up with the name. You see their country is target No 2 after cosovo. And Greece comes next  |
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salad
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 12:23
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Index here's what you said to the other post:
"i just deleted the half of the post just because i wanted to be polite u Fyrom monkey,got it? "
Index I think you are the worst rascist in here.
now get a life! |
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euphoria
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 12:33
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On 2006-01-31 12:23, salad wrote:
Index I think you are the worst rascist in here.
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No he isn't. Pay a visit at the balcans and you will see what racism means |
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orange
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 13:57
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d1m1tr1
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 14:55
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for me they can call themselves 'macedonian' (and i really hv no problem with the guys, i even hv v good skopjan friends) but they hv no relation with this... i know it and it's enough for me 
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andrejcid
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 16:23
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On 2006-01-31 10:24, DETOX wrote:
Ofcourse according this policy i can easily declare myself as citizen of Detox Republic and make a new flag and demand from the forum to put it in the options so it can be available to me and my followers...
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DETOX, will u pls spare us from such ridiculous analogies. why ridiculous?....well I know u r rational and smart enough to think about it yourself.
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But times are becoming very unstable again.Cosovo will become the center of a huge conflict very soon. When the UCK will rise the demands of a "great country" again, then i guess that our neighbours will have to back up with the name. You see their country is target No 2 after cosovo. And Greece comes next
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ru a prophet euphoria? u seem to know alot bout the future....oh well, 'good' for u....
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Pay a visit at the balcans and you will see what racism means
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euphoria, I really do hope that u r gonna realise how sickly controversial your post is.
index, as I clearly stated in the other thread, u can try to make me look like a monkey, but I'll never b an actual monkey (see, this argument works both ways, so the lousy metaphore u used as your argument perfectly fits to mine as well...maybe even more). Maybe u should inform yourself a bit better on my country's status? when u do that, u may b surprised to know how many countries in this world have actually recognised us under constitutional name. Are they less worthy than u for some reason?
about the thing that noone will believe me....well I assure u in the exact oposite! That is more than evident in this forum. appart from a group of greek users, I've never ever seen anyone denying the name of my country, so...u may want to think about who's starting all tis political propaganda....
listen, I know that this is a very delicate issue, but I urge u to spare yourselves from nationalist coments. its against your agenda anyways... I totally understad why greek get very upset, but this is not a place for resolving problematic political/hystorical matters. I honestly dont mind u calling my country FYROM, u r actually very free to do so (I lived in Greece for 2yrs so i'm used to it and have absolutely no problem with it at all), but dont give me (or any other member of the forum) ORDERS of how we should call the country and/or the nationality of ppl living in it. hence, index, do u really think that the 'DONT' (in capital leters)that u used in the other thread will refrain anyone from calling my country Macedonia?...i'll tell ya - it most certainly wont! dont know what grounds u base your authoruty on so that u can give yourself the right to give orders to other ppl in the forum. u r using a valid political argument (indeed, we r recognised as FYROM by the UN) but unfortunately (for u) this forum has nothing to do with the UN.
So please, call my country as u like, but dont start with insulting arguments when someone else uses their right to call it as they feel its apropriate for their liking.
dark elf, send my greets to Vladimir/krle bro, he's a very good friend (amongst the best ones  )
take care all
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d1m1tr1
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 16:42
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 17:10
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Andrew can you understand that my analogies which you call ridiculus is your reality?
The European Union and the United Nations the two most powerful and common accepted organisations on this planet recognise your country under the name FYROM.
Try to see this matter from a neutral respective.
Lets say that there was a country self proclaimed X and then the European Union and the United Nations decide that the real name of this country is Z because the name X cant be used for various reasons,then who would you believe?The country itself or the European Union and the United Nations?
This is exactly the case of your country,the whole Europe recognises and deals with you as FYROM but you call yourself Macedonia,do you see something wrong in that?
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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odysseus
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 17:26
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anywayz ... i vote skopja ppl as the most kind and most welcome neghbours !! 
i can not be angry with them cause this name problem
give me darma, take your karma.. |
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AbsolutZero(D.V.M.)
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 17:28
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index
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 17:41
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think about who's starting all tis political propaganda....
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Even if ur english are good enough,ur poor state of knowledge is prooved from the meaning of the word "propaganda" u dont understand.
Thats not weird since u all Fyrom citizens have grew up in a propagandistic state believed that u are "Makedonians".
These kind of sick minds have brought a lot of wars and disaster all over the world,maybe Greece too in the ancient years.
So,
u can call me whatever u want too,
but u are not welcome here from my side to "share" ur opinions.
I apologise to all into this forum about the bad mood.
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andrejcid
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 18:08
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analogy is ridiculous because, unlike 'Detox Republic', Republic of Macedonia is not a nonexistent hypothetical anger-driven entity, but its rather a country that actually exists in reality (if someone denies ths, they'd be just lying to themselves, because that statement has a factual nature...simply put, it is a fact!).
indeed, the UN and EU as organisations formally reffer to our country as FYROM, but there are many UN member countries that have officially recognised us as R. of Macedonia and reffer to the country under that(constitutional) name unless the source of comunication is directly related to the UN organisation itself.
Regarding the power...hehe u r proving the contradiction of the greek agenda. unfortunately, Greece happens to b more powerful and influential so that it can abuse its position by imposing 'official truths' as well as vetos etc if in case UN/EU would like to recognise our country under its constitutional name.
oh and another thing u may have (deliberately) forgotten in relation to power...remeber USA? their enormous power is very obvious, but they yet didnt hesitate to do what they felt was most appropriate and consistent with their political ideologies. Greece, EU and UN had absolutely no power upon USA decision to recognise Macedonia. Awwww.. but u dont like that 
well, thats the reality my friend, its not really the 'truth' that shapes the path of the development of certain problematic political matters, it actually is the power that shapes and deforms the subjectivity of 'truth' by providing it with the 'right&wrong' sides, which are never fully objective.
anyways, my point wasnt to fight about whats right or wrong in relation to my country's name.....
I think I was very clear when stating that isratrance forum has formally nothing to do with political organisations such as EU and UN. thus their formally accepted agenda shouldnt b a subject to base judgements on in here, isratrance forum. the forum has its own rules, which unfortunately I, and all the rest involved in this discussion are breaking. Macedonian flag and name are officially part of this forum, hence noone, I say noone has the right to give me orders of how I should reffer to my country. In that manner, I am not giving any of you instructions and orders to call my country as I would like it to be called.
I'll say once again, we should all try to supress our anger in relation to the name issue and reffer to the country as we feel is appropriate, without starting arguments on the subject and trying to fight for the truth.
index, thanx for your compliments regarding my english. In relation to that, I'll just add that i've spend about a third of my life living in EU countris(yes, Greece is one of them) and educated myself in institutions that are well respected worldwide ...so dont t u dare to tell me how I've grown up!
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but u are not welcome here from my side to "share" ur opinions
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the beauty of this forum, and internet in general is that noone (appart from the moderators and/or crators of the site) has their authority over me when saying that I'm not 'welcome'
whether u like it or not, I'm here mate, and I will share my opinions...if u cant cope with that, try to stop me then
edit: oh, did u say I was calling u names? naah my friend, thats a bullet fired from your own gun
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