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Posted : Oct 6, 2011 19:10
With a philosophy such as integrating the DJ/Artist with the dance floor instead of on a pedestal the music and scene would have been much different today. I am all for pulling the ego's down from the pedestals.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 6, 2011 19:42
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On 2011-10-06 16:40, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2011-10-06 15:15, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2011-10-06 08:01, disco hooligans wrote:
Although, speaking for my self, I would place the DJ in the middle of the dancefloor, where one feels the full force of the P.A.
Peace out.
At Boom 2004 Shane Gobi told me that was one of the hardest setups to DJ on because of the delay between the DJ monitor and the rig. Trying to play live in that situation would be just as hard.
Pass out.
A problem that can easily be sorted by delaying the DJ booth signal enough so that it arrives at your ears at the same time as the signal from the P.A.
Peace out.
Having the monitor feed out of sync with the headphones would help with mixing how exactly? Even if you use a split cue to mix, having the bodyshock of the bass arriving from the rig out of sync with the monitor/headphone feed makes things very problematic, and there is no easy solution.
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Posted : Oct 6, 2011 20:25
Interesting tompic. I like the idea for smaller parties. At least when I've heard this proposal before, the idea was to increase crowd interaction with other dancers and make the experience less concert-like. Obviously this doesn't eliminate the need for people to make music. I don't think the closed-circuit idea is necessary, you could just use a pre-recorded mix. (in this scene I think they call it a live act ). That said, it's nice to have the human element of a dj mixing live, adjusting to the crowd, being a focal point, etc. So I like the idea, but I'd hate to see it replace more traditional parties. I think very few people advocate the latter anyway.
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Posted : Oct 6, 2011 20:33
This turns out impossible for any crowd with more than 1.000 people.
Even less in Brazil.
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Posted : Oct 6, 2011 20:48
we are one, all! artists and the crowd, we know this...BUT
no stage and a hidden Dj?? c'mon!!
whats next?? a stage for the crowd and the DJ in a container above the ground ???
The problem of Ego-DJs is a problem of the people...dont try to change the world to avoid this, change the people over the stage...
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Posted : Oct 6, 2011 23:06
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Posted : Oct 6, 2011 23:24
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On 2011-10-06 23:06, Ascension wrote:
I bet if you hide the dj a lot of people would probably spend time looking for them/asking where they are at .
What if one hides the dj and the crowd has to look for him and the one that finds him get a prize ? A bit like looking for a easter egg. Maybe a new trend.
But seriously,well, i dont mind seeing a DJ or when listening seeing the producer playing the music he/she has produced,it gets a bit more personal then.
When the producer is participating , and maybe changes some details in the music, adding their presence , i think it can get the music wider and more complete since it`s they who created it. Like reading a book and having the author next to you, it can boost the effect.
On the other hand i can still enjoy a book without having the author next to me, so i can still enjoy the concept of loud nice music at a party without the producers there, although i think that concept can enchant the experience.
So i guess everything goes as long as i can hear the music, although i prefer seeing the producer when listening to the music.There is a bond between them and the music.The bond is not there in the same way when there is a DJ though.
But as said, i think its nice to have live performance.
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Posted : Oct 7, 2011 00:14
I don't think there's any implied ego when looking towards the performer. For live acts I think it's great to see the face behind the music and I especially like to see how they react to their own creations.
I'd never want this man hidden, he's too hilarious:
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Posted : Oct 7, 2011 02:48
ok well, good points everyone,
i can see that the trend is still to have someone on stage
but also my point is to try to focus that a psychedelic party is not a rock concert or a circus,
in africa u dont a guy performing in the ceremonies is a lot of guys performing dancing or playing an instruments inside the dancers circule or surrounding it, there is no ME there is US.
but anyway i guess is hard to get ditached from the same old rituals.
like talking about making a party in the day time from 6 am sunrise to 6 pm sunset .. i guess still we dont get there yet.
anyway i dont like distractions when is time to look inside.
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Posted : Oct 7, 2011 03:28
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On 2011-10-07 02:48, Serag wrote:
ok well, good points everyone,
i can see that the trend is still to have someone on stage
but also my point is to try to focus that a psychedelic party is not a rock concert or a circus,
in africa u dont a guy performing in the ceremonies is a lot of guys performing dancing or playing an instruments inside the dancers circule or surrounding it, there is no ME there is US.
but anyway i guess is hard to get ditached from the same old rituals.
like talking about making a party in the day time from 6 am sunrise to 6 pm sunset .. i guess still we dont get there yet.
anyway i dont like distractions when is time to look inside.
Everybody has different views and all are good ideas. If you want to try your idea of "hiding" the music makers then why not put on such a party and test it out?
Personally, I never really looked at the stage or cared at psy trance gigs. I was either to busy dancing or talking with people or tripping balls.
Only time I look at the stage is when I got to see bands play like heavy metal or rock.
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Posted : Oct 7, 2011 03:54
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On 2011-10-06 19:42, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2011-10-06 16:40, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2011-10-06 15:15, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2011-10-06 08:01, disco hooligans wrote:
Although, speaking for my self, I would place the DJ in the middle of the dancefloor, where one feels the full force of the P.A.
Peace out.
At Boom 2004 Shane Gobi told me that was one of the hardest setups to DJ on because of the delay between the DJ monitor and the rig. Trying to play live in that situation would be just as hard.
Pass out.
A problem that can easily be sorted by delaying the DJ booth signal enough so that it arrives at your ears at the same time as the signal from the P.A.
Peace out.
Having the monitor feed out of sync with the headphones would help with mixing how exactly? Even if you use a split cue to mix, having the bodyshock of the bass arriving from the rig out of sync with the monitor/headphone feed makes things very problematic, and there is no easy solution.
Pass out.
I have done it a few times when playing the Junction in Cambridge and I had a big slapback from the wall opposite the PA because that venue is built like that. It was rather easy to get used to the delayed sound outside the headphones when mixing with cueand master inside the cans and I am not a superhuman being, neither an experienced DJ. I have also played live drums is the same venue over records that Vigi span, no problem there either
I am saying this on personal experience as well, not on a hypothesis.
Wee can argue about the size of the dancefloor until it becomes so big that your arguments will win...So there you go...although I would still like to be close to the PA instead all the way across the dancefloor /off topic.
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On 2011-10-07 02:48, Serag wrote:
ok well, good points everyone,
i can see that the trend is still to have someone on stage
but also my point is to try to focus that a psychedelic party is not a rock concert or a circus,
Its been like this for ages, and it was no rock concert of circus. Its all in the eye of the beholder. Not all DJs jump around in need of attention, some just stay still and enjoy the ride...maybe we shoud ban DJs dancing on stage?
). That said, it's nice to have the human element of a dj mixing live, adjusting to the crowd, being a focal point, etc. So I like the idea, but I'd hate to see it replace more traditional parties. I think very few people advocate the latter anyway.
