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new years eve 2009 tip world special!Raja ram+Lucas +Cosmo+Iraklis Mindphaser +Drury Nevil vs Tromo

smorphelia8
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Posted : Jan 5, 2009 20:46
.........To.. LNE78...

http://forum.isratrance.com/o-z-o-r-a-festival-2009-10th-anniversary-special-edition-99-09/page6/

scroll down and check the line up... and think..
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Jan 6, 2009 18:00
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On 2009-01-02 17:52, LNE78poi wrote:
To Pentothalyan:
1) By talking about a rock concert, I only proved your example to be wrong. Also, what I despise from rock concerts is the attitude of rock stars, who do their own thing no matter what and hardly pay attention to the crowd.


Rock concerts and trance parties are two completely different things. I don't think any examples of rock concerts hold any ground for trance parties and vise versa.
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On 2009-01-02 17:52, LNE78poi wrote:

Pipe&slippers, I agree about the lineup, yet I feel that this dj should have read the lineup too beforehand. It's his job as a dj to pick the right music before he arrives in the venue, right m8? I never claimed that he was unable to adjust. Maybe he is not. What I surely know is that he didn't even gave it a shot.


1) If an artist gets a booking for a live set, then there is not much s/he can do to change their set to the vibe of the party. He just plays a live set of his/her own tunes.
2) If an artist gets a booking for a DJ set, then s/he is more flexible in fitting his tunes to the general vibe of the party.
A good DJ would have slamming tunes with a great range of BPM and would drop them according to his set time and crowd reaction.
A bad DJ would only have tunes of his/her own, niche, sub-genre and will play them regardless of what kind of crowd s/he is playing for. If the party was organised and advertised as a supermarket gig were random people of random styles, were included in the line up, and drew random crowds with extremely varying taste, then you are bound to listen to some (or a lot) of music, you do not like.
The best way of avoiding having to sit through sets of music that has no elements of psychedelia, or any general appeal, to you, is to avoid supermarket gigs.
Simple as that.
Now NYE is a special occasion where people just wanna go out and party hard and wanting to go to a party where one of your favourite artists is playing, means you will have to sit through some sets of music that sounds, well crap. I know, I went to such a party recently, but I knew what I was getting my self in for and was prepared.
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On 2009-01-02 17:52, LNE78poi wrote:

This whole war thing regarding dark trance, is beyond me. I only wanted to hear trance. If it was tsifteteli trance, tsamiko trance or country trance and even though capable to make me feel ecstatic while dancing, I would have kept my mouth shut.

You can put Count Dracula all over your music, or Satan himself if you like, and still make my dance like a nutter. I didn't get any atmosphere there, just a mediocre, ridiculously fast music.

I notice that there is a great difficulty to define this genre anyway. Is it terror trance, horror trance, dark trance, wtf is it? Someone had to address this problem. Maybe this type of artists should gather and make a new name for the music, cos if they all sound like this, I disagree that it is trance at all.


Agreed. There is nothing in what people call "darkpsy" that I find appealing, or remotely psychedelic.
But!...you must allow other people to enjoy what is their idea of trance music. Same goes for people that listen to slower trance music that is not full of twisted glitches and walls of crazy/dissonant noise.
Someone who likes Kindzadza (or whatever his name is), would probably think that Atmos' music is just too slow and boring...some would say (and have said) it is not trance music at all...just house music.
As passionate as I am for the music I love and call psychedelic, I can't go shoving my taste down other people's throats....although we would have much better parties with some decent music if everyone just listened to me
          
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Martian Arts

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Posted : Jan 6, 2009 18:03
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On 2009-01-05 20:46, smorphelia8 wrote:
.........To.. LNE78...

http://forum.isratrance.com/o-z-o-r-a-festival-2009-10th-anniversary-special-edition-99-09/page6/

scroll down and check the line up... and think..




I am thinking that in a festival with lots of stages, that last for many days and there are a lot of other intersting things to do, (like go for a walk in the forest/by the beach/wherever) than listen to Derango playing for example, is very different than being inside the one and only room where the music is playing for one night and the only option of avoiding someone's music I don't like at all, is to fuck off home early, although I am still buzzing from doing naughty things in the party.
          
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smorphelia8
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Posted : Jan 7, 2009 08:58
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On 2009-01-06 18:03, pipe&slippers wrote:
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On 2009-01-05 20:46, smorphelia8 wrote:
.........To.. LNE78...

http://forum.isratrance.com/o-z-o-r-a-festival-2009-10th-anniversary-special-edition-99-09/page6/

scroll down and check the line up... and think..




I am thinking that in a festival with lots of stages, that last for many days and there are a lot of other intersting things to do, (like go for a walk in the forest/by the beach/wherever) than listen to Derango playing for example, is very different than being inside the one and only room where the music is playing for one night and the only option of avoiding someone's music I don't like at all, is to fuck off home early, although I am still buzzing from doing naughty things in the party.




Of course a "one night " event is a different story...I posted the link to the ozora line up, to proove wrong who has stated "who the fuck is cosmo?". . well, Cosmo is a unique artist performing in events like Ozora, Boom, FullMoon . . and your newyear event with raja ram....(blame org, nobody else)
ciao
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Posted : Jan 8, 2009 14:51
cosmo killer live!!! thank you for this experience!!!!
waz great !! smile&pagan dance

bO)OhMMm!!!!
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 04:47
killer act to crazy to be alive to rare to die!
Be as a light that shines in a dark place!
revolution
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101pigs


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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 07:51
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Of course a "one night " event is a different story...I posted the link to the ozora line up, to proove wrong who has stated "who the fuck is cosmo?". . well, Cosmo is a unique artist performing in events like Ozora, Boom, FullMoon . . and your newyear event with raja ram....(blame org, nobody else)
ciao



it does not proove anything that he plays in festivals. bunch of artists are playing in festivals because there is place for them and maybe they are friends or just play for cheap. anyway raja ram just cant share the stage with cosmo i think its obvious... b000m!!

          "pigs on the wing"
smorphelia8
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 10:35
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On 2009-01-12 07:51, 101pigs wrote:
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Of course a "one night " event is a different story...I posted the link to the ozora line up, to proove wrong who has stated "who the fuck is cosmo?". . well, Cosmo is a unique artist performing in events like Ozora, Boom, FullMoon . . and your newyear event with raja ram....(blame org, nobody else)
ciao



it does not proove anything that he plays in festivals. bunch of artists are playing in festivals because there is place for them and maybe they are friends or just play for cheap. anyway raja ram just cant share the stage with cosmo i think its obvious... b000m!!





it doesn proove nothing in those cases that you mentioned...(play here and there thanx to connections, friends..etc).. but Cosmo is called here and there from orgnizers that like his music...boom,ozora,full moon, tokyo, moscow, brazil . . did he perform in all these places cus his live act is cheap?? dont think so... he started (along with highko) something new..call it what u wish(speed trance,techno, or just noise) but understand that for some people his music is the real deal...

once again...strange org behavior
homoSpNs


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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 23:09
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On 2009-01-02 01:03, LNE78poi wrote:
Ermmm... the only one who didn't answer here is Cosmo. I will wait patiently for the man's answer. I'm bashing him here, so I expect from him to come down and defend what he does.
Dear homoSpNs.
Things are very simple, don't overcomplicate them in your head. I do not confront this person for anything else than purely his music. I like dark sounds, I listen too thrash metal too. I don't mind dark trance. But, I listen to this music for 15yrs and I can spot good music a million miles away. And that was surely not, regardless of its genre. And being that it's the first time that this man came to play to Athens, his performance as a dj was really poor. I don't care about his curriculum vitae, it's the performance that matters. You say I am cruel? Have you noticed the ppl in the back of the club that booed him when he left the decks? You think it was just me?
Next time when you want to message someone, exercise your english a bit more cos your message is a bit incoprehensable.
Dear Dino, it's not only about the genre, forget that, let's not divide this music, trance music, into parts and bits. I could see clearly from that set, and by the "jumping-all-around" dancing of his, a person up there that has never felt his body to harmonize with the beat so well to lead himself to the state of meditation, which is what trance music is for. Let's not forget that.
Have we come down to a point where anyone who hasn't figure out how to dance in trance, instead chooses to make music as an alternative?
I like hard noises. But if I wanted to go to listen to good noise that you unfortunately can't dance to cos it's too fast, I would prefer Slayer,you know.
I thought new dj's come out to refresh that message in our heads, whenever we forget it. Remind ppl that they are here tonight, to tune themselves with the ppl around them. There's an influx of newcomers in this music who need to be informed about its previous culture by the music, and not by academically studying the scene.
I saw in his profile that this person states with his music "that if you can't dance to it, you're probably too old." Really? I'm 30 and I intend to listen to this music until I go 80. And let me tell you, I definetely do well in 150bpm. I'm fit, I'm an experienced dancer and a juggler. I'm not talking in anonimity here; I'm LNE, who is 30 and plays poi.
If you search on Wikipedia, it says that "trance music is generally around 128bpm to 150bpm". If this man enjoys music between 150bpm and 170bmp, it's allright. But that doesn't make him a good dj, cos music is not played for yourself, is played for the ppl down there who are there to express themselves thru dancing. Respect them and don't exhaust them.
I don't see how this music contributed to the feeling of peace, love, unity, love, respect that all parties should have, regardless of the genre. We all live hard times and we need to be reminded of these things, especially now.
Doesn't matter if you want your people to be dancing like sunshines or like cheeky gnomes.
Heracles, my extreme apologies for the post. I thought you were involved in this. Thank you for claryfing the picture. Again, I'm sorry, I thought you had some share of responsibility into this. I'm glad you don't.
And it's a shame for me to have to say such cruel things in an, apart of that, excellent night. The organizers did an excellent job. Friendly personnel, there was drinks and plenty of water for everybody, some good space to dance too. I felt respected by the organisers on this one. So this time, I want an answer from the dj, every time we bash organizers, yet the ones who supposed to lead the music are the dj's. Some answers please? Have you, Cosmo ever tried to take an oppinion from an experienced dancer about how easy it is to meditate into trance above 150bpms? I really want an answer on this one.



1st :i dont know even why I still answer to your close mind beliefs so pls do me a favor and stop waiting an answer from cosmo

2nd:you dont know if i overcomplicate them in my head because
--YOU ARE NOT IN MY HEAD--

3rd:you criteria about muzic is personal as for all of us and they should stay for you nd only.you are not some kind of expert -judge- "moyratidhs fash" or the most experienced-the most trance party goer of all so dont speak as you think you are.

4th:and this got realy personal so just becarful cause you dont know me and you cant offence me twice in public at least.

If yuor fcuknig mnid wanetd to udnersnad my egnlis it wuold do so evn if tehy wree ttolay fckued up...gege?

..so open your mind and then you will stop having problems with my english....and others english as i saw...

ok...a big bravo after all for you who took the profisency or lower...you can put it now in your.........

poi's now!


5th:as you already saw@Cosmos prof whoever cant dance...and he means: when he likes wat he hear ...means that he is too old.... and then wat you said? you r 30??lol...nd then wat....till 80?lololol ..ok...now take a trip sit down,relax, and think things over...you dont know wat you will be 2morrow dont be sure about 50 years from now...and by the way...really do you think that a 20 years old girl can be compared to a 30 year old lady?i mean body+spirit+"mind' where mind means how fast can think -solve - find correct sollutions.and body means stamina..and i dont mentioned about xasma geneon..cause is difficult word for a greek guy like me.. and which probably u dont want to accept or just "apaxieis"soz 4 that.


6th:wikipedia-trance...lol...no words needed i believe or even if they need i got bored ..you should just open your mind-meditate more as you proudly said you do and dont think thats you have already opened enough...i dont mean that my mind is open...and you shouldnt either.

7th:u r lne 30yo playing poi?? i think but i am not sure that i know u and if i am rigth...just lol if im not im sorry!


thats all...i wont spend more time ,even,
So if you want smthng pls pm

be well everybody

Citius, Altius, Fortius.
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 19:46
Chill guys!
as always its a matter of taste and taste is personal!!
LNE the flyer was saying COSMO not COSMOS or COSMA.so since u chose to participate to this party,u should have known what Cosmo's Music Stands for ...
and before u diss the artists or your fellow isratrancers , try to remember how it was to b a 22yo psytrancer in Greece and your mentality at that time.
since you are a grown up , u should know that the platform of this music is Respect.
and u havent shown so much of it in this topic
pipe&slippers is 30 yo also-correct me if im wrong amigo but i read somewhere that u are into it for 15 years also and i only assumed-but he chooses his words very wisely.No "I wait for Cosmo to apologise to me because i didnt enjoyed his set"!!!!what exactly do u expect from the artist to tell u?he only played his music.the same music that made him popular across the globe.i cannot understand these behaviour....
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Posted : Jan 14, 2009 06:48
cosmo voted by the psy people all over the world as the best dj at 2008.are you people insane if its too fast for you then youre too old in the mind so go listen jazz and live psy to others that they enjoy to dance.choose life and dont krazeis if you dont understand.peace love and dance to revolution sounds if you can .or if you cant live the others to enjoy it.were in 2009 gege the world is spinning and wont wait for you.respect.
<<<osa den pianei i alepou ta kani KREMASTARIA>>>!!!

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Martian Arts

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Posted : Jan 14, 2009 13:50
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On 2009-01-14 06:48, Z.XPERIMENT wrote:
...are you people insane if its too fast for you then youre too old in the mind so go listen jazz and live psy to others that they enjoy to dance...
<<<osa den pianei i alepou ta kani KREMASTARIA>>>!!!



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On 2009-01-14 06:48, Z.XPERIMENT wrote:
choose life and dont krazeis if you dont understand.



You are not doing a good job at following your own advice.
          
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other_reality
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 02:27

Well, I wasnt @ the party, and I didn't know cosmo. When I saw the "Dark Prince" tag, it was obvious that he plays dark music. I personally dont like these sounds that much (only occasionally, if its a good track) So, I dont go at dark parties ! Coz i won't have fun, simple as that. Its obvious that it is a mistake to mix these crowds at a club at least. Festivals are tottally different. You can mix everyone there !!
So, next time, watch out for the line-ups and see if you like them or not before going out. And if you only like 1/3 of the line-up, just show up when "your" Dj is playing. And maybe put earplugs during the rest of the party !
It is not worth to battle with words, for whether a dj is good or bad, or if dark is trance or not. People got different tastes, different ways of expression, you dont have to be like them. But, you don't have to bash them either !!!
Leaving egoism(s) aside, trance is a very broad term and musical genre. Some people think trance is Tiesto. Others think trance is Atmos, or Hallucinogen or Skazi, or....Cosmo ! All of them are considered trance, but it is quite possible that you and me, only like one artist of the above, and get bored with the others. So...who is right ? Guess what, nobody is. I saw some posts here that claim this guy played cool music. If someone liked him, he must have done something good. So, you cant just degrade the guy and say he's worthless or whatever. If everyone agreed, this guy (or any other at his place) would be out of job now, and most likely never make bookings around the world. From curiosity, I "youtubed" him, and indeed this guy's hardcore. I cant like it, but some others do. One thing that he prooved though, is that his music is for a specific crowd, and it was probably a mistake to put him on a more "traditional" trance line-up.
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 14:15
On 2009-01-14 06:48, Z.XPERIMENT wrote:
...are you people insane if its too fast for you then youre too old in the mind so go listen jazz and live psy to others that they enjoy to dance...
<<<osa den pianei i alepou ta kani KREMASTARIA>>>!!!

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Z the real psy is the REAL dARkPsy N Forest, other style xperimentl other REAL DARK ;-]
NjOY 09 on 200 bpm lol
too fast for me cuz i listen real psy Z!! not my styl cosmo but i respect his styl nd i like listen many olds nd few newz trx of him ;-]
pios pianei alepoudes k pios kremastaria psaxe vres hehe i think u hav lost the point dunno lol..
b0m b0m!!!!!

Z.XPERIMENT


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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 02:14
cool chill guys theres room for all psy people
and many hours for all kinds.just respect what they give you.and if you dont like keep the opinion to yourself.oh and pipe&slippers i feel sorry 4u that you think you know my life.im eazy to find if you really want to know me.terrorcam sorry man you must be right what the f... do i know

but thanx to this page i get really amused of all.before one year there was no darkpsy at athens and now everybody is fighting for experimental hahahahaheheheheehahahahaZ

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