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galaxyofacid
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 17:36
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hey all got my hands on fuity loops and just started playing around with it ... very interesting and fun .. made a really funny base line ...wht i wanted to know is for someone who is starting wht all should one try playing with .. for music creation not mixing, i know that u dont need expnsive equipment and all that ... just alot of work and time ... pls help .. thx u
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bandarlog
Bandarlog
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 18:14
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So what exactly are you asking for (that can't be found using search)? |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 18:46
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play around with EVERYTHING!., 
if you want to know exactly what that is, well, it's EVERYTHING!!
including mixing.,
just make sure you understand stuff as much as possible.,
look things up if you dont understand, ask around.,
but in the end, you will have to know a bit of everything so you can start right now
ooh, and start listening to music in a diferent way., realy thinking about what is happening in the mix., then you'll understand better what is possible.,
greets,
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fuzzikitten
Annunaki
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 19:37
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Heya Galaxy,
You'll want to read/learn as much as you can about the following concepts:
sequencers (cubase, fruity, logic, etc)
synthesizers (hardware and software)
samplers (Battery, Halcyon, etc)
engineering versus music writing
EQing
Compression
Other effects - delay, reverb, phasers, etc
Components in a song - drums (kick, hihats, tambs, etc), bassline, leads, pads, fx, etc.
An awesome book on engineering - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0872887235/qid=1099935136/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-3116896-1834421?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
At first you're going to run in to new terms that don't make a lot of sense - just search around on the 'net and try to learn the vocabulary as much as you can. It will be easier for us to help you out once we are all using the same language.
practice practice practice - write as much stuff as you can. even if it sounds silly at first (and odds are, it will!)
keep
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writing.
there's a *lot* to learn, but it's well worth it. 
Happy tweaking,
-Alex
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WAVELOGIX
Wavelogix
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 22:09
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some nice advices already said ... all i can do is second them !! (Y)
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Mo-Dul
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 00:26
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You are almost right...
It's true, you need these days only a good
computer to make music. But with the time
you will feel the need to buy hardware...
For example:
1. Monitors - these "Studio speakers" are your ears. You will feel the need for
better quality.
2. Synth - Vst'i is good but it will never
be as same quality sound as a hardware synth.
3. Sound card - One of the main basics for any home studio.
For now i would advice you to keep doing your best in FL and learn with the time all
the basics...
Peace..
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Hayez
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 02:43
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On 2004-11-08 22:09, Global Trance Network wrote:
some nice advices already said ... all i can do is second them !! (Y)
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I'll third your second GTN and double it. 
happy trance making galaxyofacid
"a new art came into my mind which only you can create, the Art of Noises, the logical consequence of your marvelous innovations." Russolo, 1913 |
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galaxyofacid
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Posted : Nov 11, 2004 11:58
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thx u .. .. fruity loops is funny ... can only make small samples .. dunno how to add them up to one peice .. hope i am making sense .. plus i am just playing with base lines right niw .. cant go to higher lever of distortion, also like gill plays he has alot of shudder effetc with his bass ... wanna know how that can be done on fruity loops .. thx again to all and will keep asking to pls continue with help and info
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : Nov 12, 2004 00:35
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On 2004-11-09 00:26, Mo-Dul wrote:
2. Synth - Vst'i is good but it will never
be as same quality sound as a hardware synth.
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with good soundcard and right adjustment (24bit and 48000hz + ) there is no different in quality.
check out virus nord all those are actually small Virtual-analog Synths cause not truely electric audio signal goes there just small proccesor.. program like any other vst...
the analog part is just like havin midi keyboard... (btw - truely analog synth are huge)
tho i do use nord and it does sound amazing but if i had vanguard as real synth i think i'd say the same... so both gr8
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Shaqattack
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Nov 15, 2004 15:18
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hey been trying to use fruity loops for a long time...then finally gave up...
really dunno where to start n how...if anyone would have the patience to explain step by step how to do it will be of GREAT help...
thanx in advance
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Nov 15, 2004 19:56
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"with good soundcard and right adjustment (24bit and 48000hz + ) there is no different in quality. "
on one level you are right, altho i dont think bitdepth has to o with it because all modern audio engines are 32bit floatingpoint internally.,.,
and 48000hz compared to 44100 is silly., .,and it may even hurt the sound if you produce for cd.,
but in the end it's all computers and software.,
but belive me that there is a difference between a 200 euro vsti and a 2000 euro hardware synth.,.,
you get wat you pay for.,
what you get extra is the experience of the synth manufacturers.,
you can see this quite clearly with plugs from Lynn and Korg.,. they are very good for vst's.,
they just know a lot of tricks that new synth programmers dont know.,
i'm not saying you cant get a good sound out of cheap vst's but you will have to try harder for sure.,
one problem IMO with a lot of vst's is a lack of character.,
anyway,.
greets.,
aka.,
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Cosmos Mariner
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Posted : Dec 3, 2004 00:57
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two part question/commentary:
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On 2004-11-09 00:26, Mo-Dul wrote:
You are almost right...
It's true, you need these days only a good
computer to make music. But with the time
you will feel the need to buy hardware...
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ok, so i have maybe a different spin on this question. apparently you *can* do everything on a computer these days. my question is what is worth actually buying H/W for? Monitors, Soundcard, Keyboard synth doesn't count. I'm talking more like a compressor or a mixing board, etc.
I went into a music equip. store the other day to educate myself, and when i asked about stuff like that, i was told that they're really not necessary. "Compression you can do just fine on a computer these days", I was told. The mixer was "$1000 just to have some physical knobs to play with". I'm sure the real truth is somewhere in between, but what's your opinion?
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but belive me that there is a difference between a 200 euro vsti and a 2000 euro hardware synth.,.,
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one problem IMO with a lot of vst's is a lack of character.,
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ok, i'm not (quite) an electrical engineer, but the simple fact is, all of the sounds coming out of the hardware synth are produced digitally, with chips. meaning, they can be theoretically be done with software versions just the same. key word being theoretcially,
to expand on your point then, there's a couple main advantages to the hardware that i can see:
1) i think some of the "character" of the sound has to do with the digital-to-analog converter in the H/W synth. the sounds are digital, but there still has to be a conversion to get an analog signal out of it. this conversion is responsible for the "fatness" of the sound that is hard to reproduce on a computer. you can simulate an 808's circuits by computer for example, but it will never sound quuuiiiite the same.
2)having the sound processing being performed by the H/W synth probably takes a load off of the CPU. i'm not sure on the details, but i'm sure there's some powerful stuff going on inside a $2000 synth.
3)its nice to have hardware to play with, tho a MIDI controller is another option...
What do you think?
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 3, 2004 02:48
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Damn, this argument will never end, wouldn't it?
Ok, recap: Virus and all the Virtual Analogs have (surprise, surprise) a SOFTWARE inside, that runs all the business. And another surprise. Your VSTs use HARDWARE to work. So, it's like man and woman. You gotta have both and arguing what is better is senseless.
Everybody has it's pros and cons.
And another point.
Fatness of the sound that is achieved on pure Analog equipment are actually frequency drifts. Those drifts usually abscent from Virtual Analog equipment but oftenly you are given the option to emulate it.
I'll stick with my soft, as long as i don't win a lottery, and then be sure that i'm buying myself a big wall to wall Modular Synth.
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Pavel
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Posted: Dec 3, 2004
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On a second thought, there is no argument.
Hmm
Just let me argue with my self then
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