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McKennaDMT
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 01:46
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On 2011-03-22 23:41, Melancholyman wrote:
I just thought that his statement meant the implication that he had ordered a physical copy on CD. And I wanted in, but now I see he meant he's waiting for the CD that might not even ever be materialized. Bummer..
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Uhhhhhh, what? |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 01:47
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the advantage of having a CD physically shipped to you is what now?
It's not quality, digital is the same
It's not environment, digital is better
It's not instant gratification, digital is better
It doesn't support the artist more, digital is better
It's art? IDK, I always thought that CD covers were really small. Not like you can't blow up a digital album cover with a service like Rasterbator and make it as big as you want so you can actually see shit.
I just really don't see why anyone would choose to purchase and wait for a physical CD when presented with the alternative of donating directly to the artist and getting lossless files.
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Bodhisattva
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 02:14
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According to Ott the CD will be available directly from him in the next few weeks.
I always prefer the CD as well.
willsanquil, if by now you don't know the feeling of having the CD, or you just don't appreciate it as some people here, you probably never will.
And it's a shame, because it's more special than the digital option in my opinion.
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mattman
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 02:19
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The spirit chakras and soul-energies are much higher with a CD. Hasn't isratrance taught you anything, willsanquil?
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Ott^
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 04:52
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The cds are being manufactured right now and will become available within the next week.
Please repost this information as many times as you like. |
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V3NOM
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 06:08
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On 2011-03-23 01:47, willsanquil wrote:
the advantage of having a CD physically shipped to you is what now?
It's not quality, digital is the same
It's not environment, digital is better
It's not instant gratification, digital is better
It doesn't support the artist more, digital is better
It's art? IDK, I always thought that CD covers were really small. Not like you can't blow up a digital album cover with a service like Rasterbator and make it as big as you want so you can actually see shit.
I just really don't see why anyone would choose to purchase and wait for a physical CD when presented with the alternative of donating directly to the artist and getting lossless files.
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Because i was a child of the CD era and old habits die hard.
No to get worked up man, I just find digital music becomes easily lost and messed up on the hard drive and some formats such as mixed album/compilations are way better on CD IMHO.
Um dude environment? The output in producing, mastering and hosting digital files isn't much better. Secondly, with care CD's last for an extremely long time. And BTW many people buy digital then burn it to CD to DJ or listen in car etc which is even more energy waster.
Oh BTW where I live, most CD's in stores are sold cheaper than buying a digital album.
I'm not after instant gratification, like sex the real thing is better and worth the wait IMHO.
It doesn't support the artist less either, the artist makes a choice if he wants it released through a label/distributor or not and do you think that if you buy digital from a label on an online shop it really goes straight to the producer either? Producer gets paid on number of sales made equals a profit no matter what format 
Chill buddy, I like CD's. Just like I like Asian chica's over the rest of the ladies out there, just like I like Ott's new style more than his last album 
BACK ON TOPIC thanks for the info Ott
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V3NOM
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 06:10
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On 2011-03-22 07:07, V3NOM wrote:
still waiting for CD!!
These review are making me hunger for it even more!
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Apologies I meant that I'm waiting for it to be available on CD.
Where is it available on cd?
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 11:05
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Funny how those who prefer CD's think those who does not miss out on things. No we don't. We still get to hear the exact same music as you do 
And one more time. Yes CD production does pollute more than digital releases. To say it does not indicate you do not know the process of manufacturing a CD and seem to forget it also involve transportation (most of the time by air = heavy pollution).
Good luck with the release Ott 
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V3NOM
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 12:35
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Uh I never said I got anything more sooooooo fail no. 1.
Secondly, a good friend of mine who works for the department of environment & resources here did a 2 year research into comparing the environmental impact of digital media distribution vs physical media distribution. It was found that neither was currently better or worse than the other. Future predictions were found to indicate the long term impact of digital media distribution across an ever growing market would far outstrip any environmental damage that physical media distribution had done.
The power costs, the amount of environmentally unfriendly products used to build such things as computers, speakers, portable players & hard drives etc. and it is much, much bigger than cd's & dvd's ever were or will be. It's hilarious that others try to argue the point!
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Melancholyman
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 13:38
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On 2011-03-23 01:47, willsanquil wrote:
the advantage of having a CD physically shipped to you is what now?
It's not quality, digital is the same
It's not environment, digital is better
It's not instant gratification, digital is better
It doesn't support the artist more, digital is better
It's art? IDK, I always thought that CD covers were really small. Not like you can't blow up a digital album cover with a service like Rasterbator and make it as big as you want so you can actually see shit.
I just really don't see why anyone would choose to purchase and wait for a physical CD when presented with the alternative of donating directly to the artist and getting lossless files.
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I have a high-end hifi system. And I don't have a DAC or hard drive for the system, maybe I should have and will buy it if I get the money for it. If so then i wouldn't really see the profit in having a CD. But as of now, I still have to burn the flacs to a CD then play it on the stereo. So if I have to buy a cd nonetheless, then naturally I want a good looking printed CD with an album cover.
You say it's not about quality, true the source is jsut as good. But it's not true if you are talking about quality of SOUND. Since if you have the flacs, depending on your headphones, speakers, sound card, and such the quality will be different. If you have a bad DAC for your hifi system then the quality will be worse than if you'd have a CD to play in the same system, since the differences in sound quality between cd players is negligible but it is not when it comes to DACS.
Antoher reason is that hard drives crashes all the time. I wouldn't wanna have bought music for several hundred of dollars just to watch them disappear when my HD crashes. So if I have the music on CD it is in a safe storing media and I don't have to worry about it disappearing. Even if I did have a DAC and HD for my stereo I would want to have the album on a digital stick with album cover. I don't buy all albums I'm very selective. If you have all the music on one HD with thousands and thousands of songs you don't remember what albums you have or which you value. The albums that I have in my physical possesion are all albums I value, otherwise I sell them or throw them away. This means that I can take any album from my physical copies knowing that it will be a good listening experience. This is not the case for HDs since it's so easy to put so much music on there that eventually half of it will be crap.
Finally I don't buy that environmental argument. The population on earth will increase buy 3 billions in the next 20 years or so I saw on a documentary. If we are going to be able to sustain such a vast amount of people we will have to produce A LOT of goods. The pollution will increase and this is inevitable, so a cd factory or two won't make any difference relative to the whole. The solution is NOT in stop producing things and become cavemens again but to find good advanced scientific solutions to minimize pollution, find new materials that are nature-friendly so forth and so on...You can only walk on to Buddha, not back to Buddha
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 18:29
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so back on topic....
I can't get enough of this album, as it has rekindled my love for trippy downbeat tunes.
Ott, as far as I'm concerned now, you are the king of england
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 18:37
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Um, I don't want to derail the Ott love-in. If you would prefer this discussion not take place here Ott, just say so and I won't continue it here.
That being said, people take this a little too seriously and are acting way defensive. I am not railing against you saying that you're fools for buying CDs, I just don't understand the reasoning.
@bodhi - I've owned CDs before. I buy them, they go into my computer, I rip them at the highest quality then I never ever use the CD ever again. No, I don't see what's special about the physical media, I just want the music.
@Venom - In the vast, vast majority of cases where you buy a CD, only a couple of dollars is going to the artist. The rest is going to the store, the label, etc etc. This may be different now that Ott is not on a label and is doing the CDs himself...but it's very simple:
If you send an artist a paypal donation for X money, they get all of it.
If you send an artist money for a CD, someone has to pay for that CD to be pressed, stocked, shipped. All of that comes directly out of the artists pocket, at least when compared to the prior option. Most producers in the psy scene actually lose money pressing CDs. I'm sure Ott is much different in this respect...
Also, the environment issue, while a smaller one, is still real, and I don't see how it is remotely possible for the environmental impact of pressing and shipping CDs across the world to be equal to the cost of downloading a couple hundred megs. Seriously? Yes, it costs energy to download and host files, but shipping is a large carbon footprint.
Your listed items - computers, speakers, portable players & hard drives etc....we already use those. I don't understand this argument. Everyone (well, at least everyone reading this and following this discussion) already has a computer, speakers, hard drives. We use them for many, many things so adding music to the list makes them more efficient.
I'd enjoy a link to your friend's analysis if there is one.
@meloncholyman - your argument actually makes the most sense out of all of the ones I've read. If your high end system has no way to play FLACs from your computer or something and it only takes CDs, then yeah it makes more sense to have CDs. As for what the environmental difference is between buying a bunch of CDs and having one shipped to you, I dont know. I would wager it would be small.
However, you are wrong about the quality of sound. FLAC is the same exact thing as a CD. You cannot tell the difference. This is not debatable - at least as far as I know, and I'd like to think I've done a fair amount of reading on the subject. Any difference you perceive is placebo, and if you doubt that do a blind test a bunch of times.
As for HDs...IDK why so many people have troubles with hard drives. I have been building my own PCs for over a decade now and I've NEVER had a HD crash to the point where I couldn't retrieve the data, but that's a moot point as anyone who knows anything about computers has their shit backed up. If a HD crash fucked you over once, well that sucks, but if it happens again - that's completely your fault.
As for the organization issue...yeah that's a valid point, but it's just as easy for me to get unorganized with a bunch of CDs being in different physical locations as it is for me to be sloppy and put music in not-nicely-named folders.
Finally, the return to the environmental issue...
You say that the population will increase a lot and that we are going to have to produce a lot of goods...this is true. However, here comes the hypocrisy - you say that we need to find good advanced scientific methods to minimize pollution, find nature friendly methods, yet you say that a CD factory or two won't make any difference???
OK, so we make music in the computer and it becomes a file. We take that file, we press it onto a physical object that is damaging to the environment then ship it thousands and thousands of miles incurring fuel costs and whatnot. That seems like an INCREDIBLY inefficient method that is not nature friendly as opposed to taking that digital file and sending it over the internet. I don't see how anyone can POSSIBLY argue that that makes any sense.
Everything counts. Every CD factory. Saying that "oh, that's such a small impact that it doesn't matter" is just dumb.
That being said, to each their own and I hope you enjoy your CD, I just don't understand the reasoning behind your choice
Wow that's a really long post. Sorry Ott. Your new album really is tits-rockingly awesome! If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Mar 23, 2011 22:54
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Without wishing to quench an interesting discussion it does appear to break down to "I prefer CDs." or "I prefer downloads." As far as I can see there is no right or wrong.
If you were arguing for or against 128k mp3 vs. cd I'd be down on the side of cd but as far as I can see [and one of the main reasons for choosing bandcamp] with cd vs. FLAC everyone gets the format they want.
Just heard back from the manufacturer - first batch of CDs ready any day now.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 24, 2011 00:43
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I'd be interested to hear (if you're open to answering the question - I can understand why if you don't want to) what the monetary difference is for *you* personally between the digital option and the CD option. I would have to assume that even if you get 100% of the post-production profits (which I don't think is normal) there is a hefty cut from the production process.
That is a major tipping point to me - I want to compensate the artist as much as possible. It's like giving money to charity and finding out that a large portion of your donation goes to administrative costs and things not related to charity.
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Posted : Mar 24, 2011 01:19
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On 2011-03-24 00:43, willsanquil wrote:
I'd be interested to hear [...] what the monetary difference is for *you* personally between the digital option and the CD option.
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I don't actually know because I haven't received the bill for pressing up the cds but the difference will be the cost of manufacturing the discs plus the time it takes to mail them out. I have chosen to pay somebody to do that for me as I am currently on tour and unable to do it myself but I may decide to take over that role myself when I get back because I like the idea of packaging them up and sending them out personally.
I'm really enjoying the feeling of connectedness I have with this release - I know the names of everyone who has bought the album as I get a report from Bandcamp every time somebody buys it - and it feels a lot more personal. With a traditional label release there are at least two degrees of separation between me and the people buying my music whereas doing it this way it almost feels like I'm standing at a market stall hawking my wares. It feels like a cottage-industry and it is really inspiring.
In the future I plan to offer all kinds of limited editions and hand-made stuff in small quantities because the means now exist for me to do that. I'm looking into a vinyl release of 'Mir' and setting up a Pledge Music page to make that work. It may not be fantastically profitable but now that I'm not having to go through five or six intermediaries it at least stands a chance of not making a loss.
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