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MercuryFall
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 7, 2006 17:22
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I'm asking that because the details say they are sensible from 30Hz already... Looks nice for 450 euros monitors...
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forget it its a lie.
no way they even give u 50hz and sure not flat... i use the tannoy and they get to 50hz hardly..and they cost abit more..
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Jan 7, 2006 17:29
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mmmmmm .... would you recommand using them on a combo with a subwoofer( (Tannoy or else)?? |
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Jan 7, 2006 18:22
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forget it its a lie.
no way they even give u 50hz and sure not flat... i use the tannoy and they get to 50hz hardly..and they cost abit more..
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well, maybe, but look what I just read on another forum:
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I just bought the M-Audio BX8a from GC, and they are effin awesome. Granted they are my first set of monitors. They sound great. Very flat response, crisp highs and the low end...OMG THE LOW END, it's living up to 40Hz trust me. Now sub is needed unless you are doing some truly, truly deep bass. The internal crossover does an outstanding job of seperating the frequencies. Talk about loud....I had window open and I went into my backyard about 40 yards from the house and I could hear it loud and clear, differentiating the highs and lows with no problems, the distinction is amazing. These speakers are awesome, I plan on doing some more technical test in the near future, and I'll let you know how they went. I'm multi-orgasmic right now!!!
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OK, maybe a bit too enthusiastic, but definitely makes me want to check them out  |
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 7, 2006 23:53
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yeah give them a listen, everyones got different ears so i guess its what works for you.
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[Ada-superwoman]
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 00:12
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bluesky
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 03:19
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On 2006-01-07 23:52, nolightatend wrote:
Do not buy sub, it is deadly for small rooms.
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Hello All...
I hope nobody minds me chiming in. My name is Pascal Sijen and I am one of the founders of Blue Sky International. For those of you that don't know, our company manufacturers professional studio monitors, all of which feature a subwoofer / bass-management... ...Think of it as a 3-way system design (or 4-way depending on the system), but with the LF source in a separate box (a subwoofer). However the subwoofer is not an "add-on", it is an integral part of all of our systems and is used to extend the response of the SAT / Monitors.
I thought I should respond, because the post above is a very common misconception. First, let me say that room acoustics, and how they affect the response of a monitoring system, is a highly complex issue that affects all studios. Acoustic treatment for any recording studio is always a good idea. Visit http://www.abluesky.com/acoustics for more information on this subject.
However, when you have 2 (or more) quasi full-range monitors in a typical recording studio (5", 6", 8" 2-way etc), you will not get smooth LF response and you will not typically get consistent LF response between each speaker (especially in a small room). This is because LF performance (below 100Hz or so) will be greatly influenced by where each speakers is placed in the room (more about this below). Also, performance can vary greatly between channels (L&R) and it is likely that mixes will not translate very well in the LF region.
The benefit of having a subwoofer / bass-managed system, is that you can place the LF source in the best location, for the smoothest response, at the listening position. A bass-managed system also has additional benefits, that include smaller main speakers, that are easier to place, better LF response / extension, reduced inter-modulation distortion and more repeatable LF response from room to room (small or large).
The point about "more repeatable LF response from room to room" is one that people often don't fully understand, or overlook completely. However, how low frequencies sum, from two or more sources, will depend greatly on room acoustics, the relative distances between the speakers, the relationship between the speakers and the boundaries in the room, which speakers are playing, what the phase relationship between these signals are, and where the listener is in relation to the speakers in the room. These factors are highly complex and will be different from room to room and will vary greatly between Mix A and Mix B.
Electrical summation of the LF signals (as is done with bass-management), is a very predictable and repeatable way to get consistent LF response. LF phase issues between channels are resolved in the most absolute and accurate way - electrically. As a general rule, we recommend bass-management in any professional recording studio that is creating content for direct consumer consumption (music, broadcast, radio, DVD etc.). This is especially true, since most consumers really strive for full-range and dynamic content (movies, digital TV, HDTV, video games etc, all provide this). Additionally, consumers at the end of the chain, who will probably be listening on systems that include a subwoofer (very common in new cars or home theater systems), won't hear something you didn't hear in your studio.
In large rooms, such as movie theaters, these summation issues become less of a problem, because the main problem in a big room is reverberation time (RT60) and not LF room modes (standing waves etc). However, even in a large room bass-management can help ensure better LF translation between spaces.
I hope that explains our views on this...
Cheers!
Pascal Sijen
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presto music
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 03:20
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We use the blue sky 5.1 system at the college that I go to. Usually in 2.1 unless we are doing surround, umm ok... ;-)
Yeh, I have to agree that when choosing a system, putting to much emphasis on frequency response and graphs is pretty pointless, all monitors will sound different from room to room.
Always use a refernce cd (your fav tunes that you know well and have monitored on numerous systems) and pick the speakers that you feel best represent the sound of the cd. You should also LIKE the sound, cause you gotta work with them!
Don't worry about price or aesthetics, brand or BS like that.
As far as my experience with the blue skies, goes like this...
Not a huge fan to be honest, sorry. Especially dont like the sub, I find the low response loose and not well integrated with the nearfields. The sub is useful for checking your lows, but I wouldn't want to be mixing with the sub on all the time.
I prefer them for rock actually. Don't get me wrong they are true and very colour free, but I find them a bit harsh on the ears after a while, particularly at higher levels.
(FYI I'm using Alesis Mk2 at home) |
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bluesky
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 03:38
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Hello Presto:
I am sorry to hear that you are not a big fan of our system. Of course we can't please everyone, but if the sub sounds disconnected from the SATs, it typically has to do with the sub either being turned up to high or to low. We offer a calibration procedure, with test signals, which are available for download from our website. All that is required is an SPL meter. Although many users tend to use their ears and some high quality recordings, which can work pretty well also.
For more info visit www.abluesky.com/calibration These test files are also handy for setting the overall electro acoustic level of any monitoring system, even if you don't use a sub or a Blue Sky system.
The speakers sounding harsh, is not a common comment we get, but typically a spectral HF tilt in the response is caused by acoustic reflections off of a nearby surface (console etc). Adding acoustic treatment or adjusting placement forward, backward, up or down, can often help this.
As a side note, we currently offer 3 monitoring systems that can do 5.1 and are just about to introduce a 4th mid-field system. The reason I mention this is because your post made it sound like we only have one system "the Blue Sky 5.1 system".
Again, I hope nobody minds me chiming in...
Cheers!
Pascal Sijen
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presto music
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 04:13
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Thanks Pascal, I just read the link on room acoustics and also the calibration procedure. I'll be sure to suggest to the college to check if the calibration procedure was done correctly, and maybe do it again as a little project for us students (sounds like fun!).
Do you have any suggestions for placement of the sub? At the moment we have it under the back of the desk, slightly off to the right hand side. I just don't feel that it is focussing properly in the mixing position. any tips would be great.
About the harshness, this is really just a personal thing, and I'm sure you can understand it considering the monitors I'm using at home. Thanks again.
cheers, presto |
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bluesky
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 04:18
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Hello Presto:
We have a subwoofer placement guide on our website as well. http://www.abluesky.com/subplacement
Typically there is more than one spot that works well. Just remember to calibrate the system after you finalize the sub placement.
Do you go the SAE?
Cheers!
Pascal Sijen
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presto music
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 05:08
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yep, SAE Brisbane.
Thanks for the sub placement link Pascal, will get onto it! |
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bluesky
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 05:14
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On 2006-01-08 05:08, presto music wrote:
yep, SAE Brisbane.
Thanks for the sub placement link Pascal, will get onto it!
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The SAE facilities are very cool (at least the locations I have seen). We have sold more than a few system to them and they are just finishing a very nice facility here in Los Angeles, which also looks very nice.
Feel free to e-mail me directly if you have any additional questions.
pascal@abluesky.com
Cheers!
Pascal Sijen
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Blue Sky International
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