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New monitors - genelec or blue sky ????
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 19:58
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I use them for all my music laboratory work!
i make all kinds of music..
acoustic aswell..
and i do not release stuff!
i cant see that being a issue here 
all i can say, if you make dance and or film music, get your self a closed subwoofer(preferably a system).. it will make bass monitoring more of a job  meaning that you will really hear whats going on down there.. but if you are a good producer you can calculate to some degree how the bass will sound deep down... but that is really something that requires alot of experience...
when i was studying audio engineering
they had genelec, subs and nearfield monitors
they sound good, but i think those subs are real expensive... and so are the nearfields..
im thinking of getting a pair of nearfield genelecs
but i want so many things that i will have to work alot, and i who was thinking of quit working in the end of march, we will see about that, hehe.
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 22:17
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On 2006-01-03 19:58, New Era Scientist wrote:
I use them for all my music laboratory work!
i make all kinds of music..
acoustic aswell..
and i do not release stuff!
i cant see that being a issue here
all i can say, if you make dance and or film music, get your self a closed subwoofer(preferably a system).. it will make bass monitoring more of a job meaning that you will really hear whats going on down there.. but if you are a good producer you can calculate to some degree how the bass will sound deep down... but that is really something that requires alot of experience...
when i was studying audio engineering
they had genelec, subs and nearfield monitors
they sound good, but i think those subs are real expensive... and so are the nearfields..
im thinking of getting a pair of nearfield genelecs
but i want so many things that i will have to work alot, and i who was thinking of quit working in the end of march, we will see about that, hehe.
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just posted this in their forum :
Oh yes. i`ve just got them home. I wandered down to a local store in Manchester to audition some monitors. I heard Rokits, mackie 824s , Genelec 8030s and Rubicons. I strangely found the mackies the least pleasing and the rokits ok, perhaps the mackies were more honest i dont know but the engineer agreed with me. how is it that a speaker a quarter the price can sound better ???. Slightly dissapointed I asked the agent if hed heard of blue sky. he ushered me into a small room where low and behold was the media desk on offer.
I put one of my favourite tracks (leftfield song of life ) on and decided to buy them within 15 seconds.
They DESTROYED all the afore mentioned speakers.I LOVED them instantly. Thats never happened before ! I was a bit worried they hyped the sound up a but it was a track i know is recorded well and a they were honest about a track I know is recorded badly so....Im sure once I learn their nuances i will get them to translate well to other systems.
You can imagine that after years of NS10s tears of joy are rolling down my face.
The engineer said he was sad to see them go too, good job !!!!
By the way the look cool too, I especially like the way the cones have no bobbly bit in the middle.
(p.s. i accept pay pal or cash (=; - only joking ! )
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 23:08
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actually after the blue sky the rokits were my choice, better than the mackies or even the genelecs ! but they colour the top end a litlle but hey..... but man listen to blue sky (they only cost me 50 dollars more) they are amazing.
anyway enough hype. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 23:15
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nolightatend - thats why you need a extra pair of nearfields which holds all freqs in one speaker..
but i promise you that you can work with only the satelites... they are very detailed and with a propper calibrated subwoofer its very good.. i mean if it sounds good and detaild from 80hz and up, there is only one problem left, which is 80hz and down.. and thats is something we all struggle to get good anyway...
if you already have a pair of Ns10m´s then a 2.1 blue sky system will really give you a good picture of the sound...
but this is of course only my opinion...
and of course to get a good sound you need to do some calculations and probably some acoustic treatment...
well i am happy with my uncalibrated system and all i need now for good monitoring is a pair of decent nearfileds... and to calibrate my system
nolightatend, go and listen to them and take some music you like with you..btw i have the media desk system... its the cheapest one.. |
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 15:24
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On 2006-01-04 07:15, nolightatend wrote:
NES, room acoustics is quite important but i have none. I don't want to make this room looking like basement as i've seen at some places, i still live in here. Although it is point for change.
Now the only setup works well with NS10m is quality monitors/speaker system with lows, while Blue Sky have the only lows from sub speaker, it's much better to get JBL or Bose speaker/monitor with these rather spending much more money on monitor set with even less lows than NS10m, i don't think sub is good idea and never seen such setup in pro studio.
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Bose do not make pro audio gear, they make hi fi and their speakers colour the sound a lot so are no use for making tracks proffesionally.
Blue sky make an accurate woofer whos crossover integrates perfectly the top and bottom end. If you wanted a full range all in one speaker you will have to pay 1000s of dollars , with the sub blue sky will give you an accurate idea of the low frequencies for a fraction of the price.
humour me - go and look at all the frequency response graphs of monitors online. Find a speaker that will do 30 hz - 20000 khz =/- 3 db (if you can find any) and I will be suprised if you can find any less than $3000. the blue sky media desk costs $500.
Then read the reviews its got, by proffesionals. then listen.
I think a lot of people are put off because they think of the home cinema 5.1 systems with subwoofer, this is different - its a proffesional tool.
All that really matters is that the speaker is reasonably accurate not the size of the cone, woofers. NS10s were the industry standard, but they are not a very accurate speaker and theyve stopped making them now. i suspect Mackies will take their place.
there are plenty of people using blue sky now, take a cruise round some proffesional audio websites youll see the have a good reputation amongst proffesionals and artists alike.
Anyway Im not a salesman but i can see that being able to monitor your trance under 60 hz properly might be good for trance !
at the end of the day theres only one way to find out if theyre for you - give them a listen.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 16:25
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On 2006-01-04 07:15, nolightatend wrote:
i don't think sub is good idea and never seen such setup in pro studio.
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We have Genelec 7071A sub at work. The amount of bass is quite impressive. 
http://www.genelec.com/products/7071a/7071a.php
Anyway, people should forget about looking at datasheets of monitors. They don't really mean that much. Even the Mackie 824s have a flat frequency response within 1dB if you look at their datasheet. It is well known that the Mackies have a hyped high-end and a boomy hyped low-end. [1]
Even if the specs are relatively correct, they will only give you one measurement, probably on-axis, done in an anechoic chamber. It will tell you absolutly nothing about how the speaker sounds if you are slightly off-axis or what is being sent out sideways and backwards to reflect against the walls of your studio. In most untreated rooms this is a much bigger issue than on-axis frequency response.
Also, any speakers (or woofers) that use reflex port designs might give you enough bass on paper but in reality it could be useless resonant flopping like the Mackies have.
Never trust speaker specs. Only trust your ears.
That having been said, I don't like the sound of the BlueSky speakers at all but mileage will vary. I have only compared them to Genelec 1037C, Lipinski 700s and K+H 0500D with dual subs.
UnderTow
([1] Those mackie specs were achieved by measuring at 115dB SPL I seem to recall. In other words, they measured their speakers when everything is compressing and distorting as this was the only way to get flat frequency responses. Anything in the name of marketing ...)
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 23:05
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On 2006-01-04 16:18, nolightatend wrote:
First you say sub with NS10m is not good and now this.
NS10m doesn not colour the sound that is what important, speakers with them just need to give indication of bass, whether the colour or not you need to get used to any spekaer/monitors, once you know "colour" then you know rest. I think it is much easier to learn colour of spekaer rather learning sub and monitors without low end. I don't need to read any review, and haven't found any good review about Blue Sky in resources i trust.
Mackie are not standart or anything and NS10m been sold since 70' so this was the main reason to stop manufacturing them, because technologically they were very ancient, they have no magnetic shielding and they are passive when very good ampilifier needed with them, probably pricy one.
Yamaha, still have products with new techology and NS10m sound, such as DH, so check these.
Anyway, i've seen man produce great sound on speakers, headphones and cheap monitors, so running after "quality" or "reviews", basically bring you to nothing at the end.
Of course it is your life.
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Wooow there I never said ns10s were no good I love mine !
Many great records have been made with ns10s and ive been using them for nearly ten years ! However they definately not neutral, apart from having no accurate bass below 60 hz odd , they have a famous +7dB peak at 1500 Hz :
here is an articleon how to rectify this :
http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/ns10modification.htm
Actually the reason they stopped making them is because they could no longer get the wood pulp required to make the cones.
I would not advise mixing brands for adding a woofer for the simple reason that with those system with woofers such as genelec and blue skys the engineers spend a long time get in the crossovers to match so that there is no frequency interference and minimum overlap. There many other things built in to allow the subs and satelites to match smoothly. If you add NS10s to a woofer you would have to do all this yourself (assuming that the woofer has an adjustable crossover)
I agree with the other poster to trust your ears, not brands which is why I auditiones many speakers before deciding.
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 23:46
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Hmmm Ns10 is legendary monitors... But they good for classic or jazz music...This monitors don't have enough bass... It's all depends from how many money do you wanna spent on monitors... If you wana clear and good sound - Try to listen Dynaudio BM6A but they coasts in Russia about 3000 $ And remember you must buy that monitors that you like it =) |
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 5, 2006 01:26
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On 2006-01-04 16:25, UnderTow wrote:
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On 2006-01-04 07:15, nolightatend wrote:
i don't think sub is good idea and never seen such setup in pro studio.
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Genelec 1037C, Lipinski 700s and K+H 0500D with dual subs.
UnderTow
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They are expensive though ! By the way the blue skies are closed woofers and satelites no reflex ports. Your the second person out of about 50 Ive met who didnt like them - but as you say horses for courses ! |
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 7, 2006 00:20
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Jan 7, 2006 14:13
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Hi all!
While we're here talking about monitors, any advice on m-audio bx8a studiophile?
I'm asking that because the details say they are sensible from 30Hz already... Looks nice for 450 euros monitors...
Anyone using these?
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