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lalala
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 17:12
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Ok so ive been using ns10s for a years and wanted to get something with more base and that, well, sounds nice.
I seem to have whittled my choice down to :
Genelec 8030a :
http://www.dv247.com/invt/22483
and Blue Sky Media Desk 2.1
http://www.dv247.com/invt/22959
Now on paer and according to reviews the blue skys offer much better value and actually give you fairly accurate monitoring down to the 30- 40 hertz range due to the woofer !!!!!
nothing less than a couple of thousand dollars will normally get you that !!! apparently they give you 30 hz - 20 khz ± 3dB !!!!!
The disadvantage is mono bass response. They do look a bit like a cheap desktop setup though and im naturally suspicious so has anyone actually heard these speakers ?
The genelec will be good quality theres no doubt but there is also not so great a bass response on them either..... (although better than ns10s !)
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Trip-
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 17:39
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The problem comes with the corssover frequency of 100hz with that bluesky set.
I'd never get a woofer to monitor my mix. It is supposed to be done with the stereo monitors - which drivers have been configured to the built in crossover.
Besides, Genelec are well known in this area - and will probably guarantee a good product.
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 17:54
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On 2006-01-02 17:39, Trip- wrote:
The problem comes with the corssover frequency of 100hz with that bluesky set.
I'd never get a woofer to monitor my mix. It is supposed to be done with the stereo monitors - which drivers have been configured to the built in crossover.
Besides, Genelec are well known in this area - and will probably guarantee a good product.
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i toatally agree with you on the mono aspect, however the genelec will only give me bass response down 58 hz whereas the blue sky 30 hz ! my problem for years on the ns10s is i have had no real idea of whats going on on my bottom end (excuse me (=;)
according to the review in musictechmag the blue skys sub and satelite speakers melded seamlessly at the crossover when correctly positioned....
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Adrenal Mode
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 18:34
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Hi,both monitor are good its all depend for what do you need it.
i dont think you need the blue sky coz
*the freq range start at 100Hz and your NS10 start at 50Hz or 70Hz so all you need to do is buy subwoofer to your NS10 or buy cheap monitor with low range
*blue sky gives you 5.1 serround sound, you dont need it unless you are movie producer(this monitor use for movies production sound track's)
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 19:27
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Genelec are used mostly for acustic instruments, i mean if you make rock, folk, etc, with acustic instruments, than go for Genelec..
I used Genelec before for mastering in studio and i am not very satisfied... i like better the old Tannoy Reveal 
If you need monitors for trance music, i recomand you Dynaudio or Event.
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Adrenal Mode
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 19:29
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On 2006-01-02 19:09, nolightatend wrote:
Try to listen to Roland DS 5/7/8, before you make a final conclusion. Two of these can be great addition to your NS10m's.
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I agree with that
DS sounds great!!!
you can work with the DS, and check your mix on NS10
i'm useing MSP5 and its the same problem not so much bass but the mid range is SWEET!
don't throw that away coz the mid range big key to a good mix, just buy monitor with low range and this will fix your problem.
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 19:37
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On 2006-01-02 19:09, nolightatend wrote:
You don't quite get a point of Blue Sky Media.
The point of these speaker system is to be additional to pair of main monitors for 5.1 mix.
I don't know how you can't see it, Blue Sky size is very small for desktop monitoring and of course just think where to place the sub, doesn't matter if it's mono or not since you get only sub bass on it which is not advicable to pan or stereo image at all.
Genelec, I don't know how person who worked with 7' monitors will work on 5' monitors with almost the same lows responce. Don't look for price, cheap model of famous brands doesn't mean much.
Try to listen to Roland DS 5/7/8, before you make a final conclusion. Two of these can be great addition to your NS10m's.
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Tnakns for the rply. I am not looking at cone size but frequency reponse at =/- 3 db.
yes i am working on film as well.
actually i think you miss the point, the blue skys are also used by people not producing film because they offer a low frequency response you simple cant get in that price range (accurate too).
The ear CAN distinguish panning information on low frequencies.
I would really like to hear from someone who had actually heard them though.
It is certainly not advisable to add a sub to ns10s.
i had a look at the roland ds8 their frequency reponse is poor - 58 hz on the bottom end a full 28 hz higher than the blue skies and again little different to the ns10s, do you catch my drift - 28 hz more on the bottom end at +/- 3d b thats what im looking at not price or brand...... |
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Adrenal Mode
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 19:42
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On 2006-01-02 19:37, lalala wrote:
actually i think you miss the point, the blue skys are also used by people not producing film because they offer a low frequency response you simple cant get in that price range (accurate too).
The ear CAN distinguish panning information on low frequencies.
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http://www.abluesky.com/p_s_gb/p2s6ad04.html
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On 2006-01-02 19:37, lalala wrote:
I would really like to hear from someone who had actually heard them though.
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I dont think youll find tham here. |
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 19:46
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I dont think youll find tham here.
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Perhaps that is a shame, I make trance and 28 hertz advantage in the bottom end has obvious advantages . |
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 20:47
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Also im not looking for a pair of monitors that "sound great" i am looking for a pair of monitors that translate well onto other systems. |
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 21:22
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On 2006-01-02 20:51, nolightatend wrote:
Ok, enlighten me then, why you ask for Genelec, these have same low end as Roland DS.
The only monitors which translates well to other systems are NS10m, mix done on these sounds solid every where.
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Genelec have a good reputation for actually building their speakers properly and translating well to other systems, basically 90 percent of the engineers i know rate them as being good quality.
For example some speakers claim to have a frequency response at =/-3db 58hz -30,000khz but they measure this using some con which means its nonsense - Genelec dont do this (or not as much)
Ive used NS10s for years and i kind of agree with you there -if it sounds good on ns10s it will sound good on anything. However we could be lined up against a wall and shot by many sound engineers for saying this. I like them but they have an absolutely terrible reputation in the pro community and give you no idea about lower end frequencies which is very important for trance obviousy.
This is a very good article on studio monitors :
http://www.tweakheadz.com/studio_monitors.htm
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"The real truth is in the understanding of how your mix on your monitors translates to other listening conditions.....reference is not a quality of a box, but a quality of your attention and experience......"
This being the case within reason if you know your monitors well its really just a matter of taste.
However you at least need to HEAR the bottom end (ie 30 -60 hz) with a reasonable degree of accuracy if your tracks are going to go on a p.a. , which is kind of why I am begining to favour the blue sky over genelec and other monitoring choices. I hate subwoofers but according to all the reviews ive read people who though similarily believed that blue sky represented the base accurately and not in a kind of "muddy" way ,
Have a read of this review :
http://www.mpfspromotions.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=48280
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 22:41
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lalala - i have a Blue Sky 2.1 system..
i have had it for a year or so..
all i can say is that i am happy with it, cause its so clean, and this is because of the 2.1 system...
i havent calibrated them yet, hehe, though i got all equipment needed.. im just lazy and not too serious right now...
if you ask me what i would have bought first, Genelec or blue sky i would have answerd blue sky,
because, i get a good bass monitoring! and of course a good treble and midrange monitoring...
I can expand to 5.1 system if i want to produce film music..
its a solid kit, which i think is pretty all around
but with these extra features comes other problems of course... but they can be fixed. im talking about the subwoofer.
i have noticed that some of my mixes can be very poor from bass, because of different reasons... one is that having a subwoofer under your table will increase the sound by some Dbspl... its said putting the woofer in a corner will add 6db, but if just has a wall behind it, it will be 3db, so almost 3db for each close wall... so maybe i got a 9dbspl increasment by having it under the table... that is the reason why my bass is very low in other systems
this is where calibartion comes to good use...
well there is a big thing, which probably will take some time if one wants to get it real good..
anyway, you already got a speaker where you get all ranges... i would suggest blue sky system for you.. its a very good addtion.. and a bang for the buck
im my self has it the other way around, im out for a pair of monitors where i get all ranges in one speaker.. thats very important too...
Good luck to you.. and be sure to make your own investigation...
btw i really like my blue sky system.. just so you know 
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 16:18
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On 2006-01-02 22:41, New Era Scientist wrote:
lalala - i have a Blue Sky 2.1 system..
i have had it for a year or so..
all i can say is that i am happy with it, cause its so clean, and this is because of the 2.1 system...
i havent calibrated them yet, hehe, though i got all equipment needed.. im just lazy and not too serious right now...
if you ask me what i would have bought first, Genelec or blue sky i would have answerd blue sky,
because, i get a good bass monitoring! and of course a good treble and midrange monitoring...
I can expand to 5.1 system if i want to produce film music..
its a solid kit, which i think is pretty all around
but with these extra features comes other problems of course... but they can be fixed. im talking about the subwoofer.
i have noticed that some of my mixes can be very poor from bass, because of different reasons... one is that having a subwoofer under your table will increase the sound by some Dbspl... its said putting the woofer in a corner will add 6db, but if just has a wall behind it, it will be 3db, so almost 3db for each close wall... so maybe i got a 9dbspl increasment by having it under the table... that is the reason why my bass is very low in other systems
this is where calibartion comes to good use...
well there is a big thing, which probably will take some time if one wants to get it real good..
anyway, you already got a speaker where you get all ranges... i would suggest blue sky system for you.. its a very good addtion.. and a bang for the buck
im my self has it the other way around, im out for a pair of monitors where i get all ranges in one speaker.. thats very important too...
Good luck to you.. and be sure to make your own investigation...
btw i really like my blue sky system.. just so you know
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interesting, so what do you mainly use them for, do you release stuff ? |
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