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New Label Cytopia

cytopia
Cytopia.org

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Posted : May 6, 2005 13:29
Greetings to All.

We are a new web based label called Cytopia. We will be releasing psychedelic trance and chill out ambient music.

The music we release will be sold online as a download in full .wav format, and the best tracks we plan to release on CD.

At this point we are trying to collect good music for our site and for eventual release on CD.

What we offer is the following:

Artists who submit a track we think is decent we can release on the site for sale via download as full .wav file, and the artist will then recieve up to 60% income from sales. The artist can also choose the amount of money is euros that each particular track is sold for, up to about 1 euro for a average track and up to 2 euros for an excellent track.

For more advanced artists if desired we may pay for the track in advance as most labels do, and then not pay the artist a percentage of the income from sales; it really depends on the quality of the tracks.

For artists interested, you can send demo cd's to the following address with your contact information:

Cytopia Records

Houtmankade 81-3h
1013MS
Amsterdam
The Netherlands

Email: Contact@cytopia.org

We feel releasing music as download of .wav on internet will allow people to buy the tracks they like in full quality without having to buy a cd with some tracks they do not like. It also allows us to release more music, since we are not bound the number of tracks that fit on a cd. We may also offer less serious listeners the option to download the mp3 of the track, or we may offer option of mail order, so we burn tracks to cd, and send them to customer.

We plan to release the best tracks on the site on a compilation CD.

Our new webiste will be up soon, via there you will be able to register and submit tracks via the internet.

When the website is up, i will leave another note.


We look forward to hearing some of your tunes,

Kind Regards,

Cytopia
Meta-Morphosis
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Posted : May 6, 2005 15:55
hey good going>>>> all the best            “What we need is the development of the Inner Spiritual man, the unique individual, whose treasure is hidden in the symbols of our mythological tradition and in man’s unconscious psych.” - CJ Jung
Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 6, 2005 16:02
Nice one guys, good to see more alternative channels of release popping up.

Just to clarify, the 'advance' that record labels pay is an advance on royalties generated by sales, and is not an outright purchase. This means that when the track has sold enough copies to pay back (or 'recoup') the amount advanced, the artist recieves royalties on any subsequent sales*. The amount of the advance is negotiable and depends on many things including the degree of exclusivity of the agreement, the royalty rate (% of dealer price) and the profile of the artist.

The way it is described above it sounds like one option Cytopia is suggesting is to pay a fixed fee for a track in advance and then not pay royalties thereafter. Is this the case? If so I would strongly urge any artist not to take this option as they would never be paid more than this fixed sum no matter how many copies were sold. Such an arrangement will always benefit the label rather than the artist, as the label will always make sure that the fee paid underestimates the number of copies the track will sell, so as to leave room for a decent profit. As an artist it is always better to be paid for copies sold (as long as you can trust the label to tell the truth about sales figures, and to actually pay you what you are owed) - you never know how successful your track will be.

Good luck to Cytopia and all who sale in her

Colin


*This is what is supposed to happen, but very many labels - even well known ones - these days do not (apparently) manage to sell enough CDs to recoup the advance, and so the artist never earns more than the advance anyway. However, statements from record labels stating sales figures in black and white can sometimes be difficult to come by, even if contracts state that they should be sent to the artist every month.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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llazi
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Posted : May 6, 2005 16:31
Well time has come for those ideas. Wish you best luck.
My only suggestion would be about the wav format. You schould think twice about that caus you will need a huge bandwith that will cost you a lot of money. And by the way, how many users that want to buy have a connection that will allow them to download a wav in a reasonble fast time.
I think a good quality mp3 is the best choice.
cytopia
Cytopia.org

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Posted : May 6, 2005 17:17
Quote:

The way it is described above it sounds like one option Cytopia is suggesting is to pay a fixed fee for a track in advance and then not pay royalties thereafter. Is this the case?



No. I didnt express myself clearly. So far the main offer we have is to put tracks up on our site and receive up to 60% of the profit. Each time the track is purhcased, the artist's percentage is transfered directly to the artists account on the website, and once this is more than 50 EU artist can ask to have the money transfered to their bank account.

Regarding payment in advance, I was affraid not many professional artists would be interested without payment in advance, so we thought to make it an option for us in some cases to make a payment in advance. As Colin explained no money would be paid to artist below a certain number of purhcases, and everything above than amount a percentage goes to the artist. The specifics are negotiable with artist depending on track quality.
cytopia
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Posted : May 6, 2005 17:22
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On 2005-05-06 16:31, llazi wrote:
Well time has come for those ideas. Wish you best luck.
My only suggestion would be about the wav format. You schould think twice about that caus you will need a huge bandwith that will cost you a lot of money. And by the way, how many users that want to buy have a connection that will allow them to download a wav in a reasonble fast time.
I think a good quality mp3 is the best choice.



I and many other disagree. Mp3 is not popular amoungst dj's and producers. There may be an option so the buyer can buy the mp3 for cheaper, but i definately want the full .wav up. We have the server space, and the bandwith already.

Many people have fast DSL connections these days, an 8 minute 16 bit wav can be zipped or rared to be a 50 or 60 MB download. Many people DL much more than this daily.

Artists and customers can also send us, and receive music from us by postal mail.
Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : May 6, 2005 17:28
I'm always glad to see new intiatives and alternatives for sales and distribution in this scene and wish you best of luck.

I partly agree with Colin that if there will be no further royalties when you "buy" a track that the difference of a normal deal has to be very clearly stated.
Generally that is considered a bad deal for the artist, even if practically in this scene at least thats not always the case.
If the advance is fair I would not have much of a problem with it myself.
It's quite rare with some individual super hits that will sell exceptionally well with trance, hence quite easy to appreciate the value of a track.

About formats...many people will demand lossless.
I have quite a similar operation to yours, and I do sell quite a fair percentage of FLAC in relation to mp3, so the demand is certainly there for getting full resolution.
Wav is a waste of bandwidth though and a lossless compression format saves time for the user and bandwith for the shop.
To go only with wav would alienate many people that don't like the waste of bandwidth and time, and to go only with FLAC will alienate some people that don't know what FLAC is.
To have both takes much server space but would be the best otherwise I guess. But from what I have gathered when trying to decide on what format to choose more people want FLAC or APE compared to wav.
People is also getting more aquainted with lossless compression formats, so in the long run it will be an obvious choice. Just like zipping up large files before sending them over internet is now.

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cytopia
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Posted : May 6, 2005 17:42
The idea was to give the buyer the same quality as on cd. I am not familiar with FLAC, i would have ot hear it first. We can also make some different formats available and see which are most downloaded, but i personally would like to offer the same quality as a CD, which are wav files.

Regarding the artist payment. Perhaps it was too early to mention our alternative to the standard, no advance, just percentage of each purchase. I just wanted to make it clear to artists: If your track rules supremely, and you want an advance, we will try to give it to you, but then the commision of sales changes, details negotiable with artists.

We are not trying to give artists a bad deal, in contrast, we are trying to do something postive and new by allowing more people to release their music, on a platform in which people can download or mail order all the tracks that are released.
cytopia
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Posted : May 6, 2005 18:25
And thanks for the feedback . -svs
Spindrift
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Posted : May 6, 2005 18:34
I think no-one here think that you are trying to ripp anyone off.
Like I said, personally I don't mind and would rather take an advance and not have to wait for royalties if the offer seemed fair.
But I think many artists have high hopes about what they should sell and might be concerned about giving up thier rights.
So I would think you might as well include royalty payments if the amount exceed the advance.
I would guess that a lot of the time it will not happen anyway if the advance is not very small.

You don't need to listen to FLAC or APE to choose.
They are lossless meaning that it's a bit-by-bit copy of the original.
So it's the same as zipping them, except it's faster and will result in a higher compression ratio.
They also don't need to be uncompressed by the user before playing or burning them on CD.
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cytopia
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Posted : May 6, 2005 18:47
Thank you again, we will look into offering the FLAC or APE format. Does either one have an advantage over the other for any reason, or are the equal?

cytopia
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Posted : May 6, 2005 18:55
And also do you know which encoding software i should use for this format?
Spindrift
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Posted : May 6, 2005 19:21
I went for FLAC because it has a number of advantages compared to APE.

APE have been around for longer and might have a bit more users already, but the spread seems fairly equal by now and I think FLAC will be dominant in the future.

FLAC can be streamed and is faster to compress/decompress.
That combined with FLAC being open-source, encourages manufacturers of playback hardware to utilize it.

APE will result in smaller files, but the difference is so marginal that you will probably spend more time decompressing than what you gain on download time.

Both formats have me knowingly only one software for encoding, but in the case of FLAC there is a couple of GUI frontends to choose from.
Unlike mp3 what software you use is not important, since you get a perfect copy anyway.

To get the softwares and more info:
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cytopia
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Posted : May 20, 2005 11:35
The new cytopia site is live now at www.cytopia.org

We are still working on some other changes that will be implimented in comming weeks. Come have a visit...

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