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Obelizk
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Posted : Nov 22, 2010 23:33
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well if you don't download a whole bunch of cracked vsts, make sure you find a good one to start with and that has a pretty simple interface. That will help you lots.
I'd recommend learning to play some piano/keyboard too. You can learn theory at the same time and I find that using an actual keyboard, and being able to play, you can get more creative than drawing note after note, especially with rhythms. --- though some people are good with that.
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dija
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 00:22
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agreed all reason is good for is helping you understand synthesizers. the routing helped me understand them when i was gettting going. however you need to be on FL, reaper, cubase, logic, ableton, something with REAL power. you cant even use external plugs in reason. i haven't tried 5 yet but you couldnt use externals up until it. however that is kind of reasons strong point is its stability and part of that stability means it cant support external code. dont get me wrong its a cool little toy i'd use if i were a hip hop producer but im not im a brainiac with a huge stack of electronics dont think i'll pawn it rofl.
neways, theory is not necessary but it does HELP. i've never heard anything truely GREAT come from someone with no theory background MELODY WISE. melody in PSY has been deteriorating more and more as more newbie artists with only tech skills get signed on. so for psy no you dont need theory. if you want to make badass downtempo like shpongle or such yeah your going to need to know theory. theory puts notes into a language that you can understand. a cadence (two chords) you will understand that certain cadences create certain effects on the human emotion thats basically what theory is. its putting into words what harmony and melody are and how to control them.
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orgytime
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 00:24
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 00:30
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keep your reason man and just have fun =)
you will notice if you love it or not, you can always learn how other sequencers and music programs work....
if you want any help just pm me, i can send you some reason 4 projects
all you need is some nice kick samples, also maybe even some outside 909 and other percussion samples to put inside redrum..
Reason do rock for inspiration as Frutiyloops(FL studio) they are great and have all nice automation features. Though personally i love to finish stuff and sequence in cubase...
So start with what you got, and if you got any questions just ask here and brows all good threads.
A good thing to understand is "Root keys" like you make a baseline in C you want to make your melody in the same key, but psytrance really is about innovation and spacy sounds so you can get away with lots of things as long as its wicked  groovy or totally strange!!
HAVE FUN
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aciduss
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 00:37
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Reason is tight. |
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Obelizk
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 01:28
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willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 01:29
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Why start learning a DAW that is fundamentally flawed??
No vsts? fuck that shit.
Get something real imo and don't waste your time with inferior tools
Starting with a full fledged DAW means less overall time learning tools and tech and more time being creative If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 05:08
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if you can find someone that have some experience to make music.he will take care of tehcnical stuff and you will learn at same time how work the daw used. |
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Svampe
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 10:53
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Thanks alot for your response everybody. I think i will stick to reason for a while, now where i've learned the basics and so on. But i will definately take a look at ableton live, and maybe cubase. I know im a noob  but what is vsts ??
I see you have many different opinions on which program to make your music in, but it seems like cubase is the answer ?
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orgytime
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 13:19
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wikipedia:
VST plugins
There are three types of VST plugin.
VST instruments generate audio. They are generally either virtual synthesizers or samplers. Some, such as Native Instruments' Pro-53, specifically recreate the look and sound of famous synthesizers from years past (in this case, the Prophet-5).
VST effects, such as reverb and phaser effects, process audio input. Other monitoring effects provide visual feedback of the input signal without processing the audio. Most hosts allow multiple effects to be chained.
VST MIDI effects process MIDI messages prior to routing the MIDI data to other VST instruments or hardware devices; for example, to transpose or create arpeggios.
if you stay with reason you still can check out tom cosm, good stuff for basic synthesis etc.
cheers
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vision dream
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 18:50
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fistable to my opinion reason its a tools to make music,the real treat to make it so pro will be the live ableton,cubase,logic.sonar anything else just a tool or even a toy,
its good to know how to play an instrument, and have the knowlegde about rythm armony melody in all the aspects.! |
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Trevon
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 19:53
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reason has a really small window... it should go fullscreen
since nowadays everyone prefers videos to reading...
there's lots of reason videos on youtube, more than enough to start with... as well as music theory.
you can learn both music and production as you go along.
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orgytime
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:54
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On 2010-11-23 18:50, vision dream wrote:
fistable to my opinion reason its a tools to make music,the real treat to make it so pro will be the live ableton,cubase,logic.sonar anything else just a tool or even a toy,
its good to know how to play an instrument, and have the knowlegde about rythm armony melody in all the aspects.!
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disagree
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Svampe
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 21:09
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On 2010-11-23 01:28, Obelizk wrote:
haha i definitely started on reason as well, so learn stuff there, after a while you'll probably want to jump to a DAW that will allow you to use some quality VSTs
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But which programs will allow you to use the best quality vsts?
Im getting pretty confused, everybody has a different opinion. My plan is definatly to start with reason, cause thats what i have atm. I have looked a bit at cubase and ableton live, but i dont want to start from scratch again, not before my basic music knowledge is a bit better. But why do so many prefer ableton live to start with, and later on move on to cubase?
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willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 21:31
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I'll try to boil it down to basics a little bit
A VST is simply an external instrument/program that is not included in your DAW (Ableton, Cubase, Logic, Reaper, Fruity Loops etc) but which your DAW can run and send data to.
Some examples of popular VSTs in this scene are Albino3, Zebra2, Sylenth1...most of them use the VST standard so that they can be used in all (or most) DAWS.
There are shitloads of opinions as to which DAW to use if you are starting out. Each of the 'major' DAWs have their own unique advantages and disadvantages - different tools, different workflows, etc.
My philosophy on starting from scratch is to start with software that is full-featured enough that you can do anything you need down the line, so that everything that you learn now is useful down the line. If you learn on Reason then switch to something else then some portion of what you learned will be useless. Certainly a good portion of what you learn will be universal, but not everything.
As for why people prefer Ableton Live to start with...imo its designed in a way that is easier to understand than most DAWs *from the perspective of the initiate*
I didn't know what I wanted to use when I got into production. I downloaded Cubase, FL, Logic, and Ableton. Cubase FL and Logic all confused the everliving shit out of me, but Ableton just clicked. I'm sure a large, large portion of that was finding an excellent teacher in Tom Cosm. I don't know of any teachers for Logic/FL/Cubase that are as good at explaining music production to the beginner as Tom Cosm is. I can't verify if this is the right link as I'm at work, but check this out:
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://vimeo.com/3984949&sa=U&ei=lhXsTNuyFIiasAO_2u2vDw&ved=0CBUQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNHSOPeCWeSTbgoj3RP5hp-r1JaG0w
I'm a big fan of potential and the philosophy of learning your tools well so that you can get past them and not have to fuss with them. A long term goal of mine is live performance. If I want to produce in Cubase then I am going to have to learn how to produce in Cubase then also have to learn Live. That's a lot of technical learning whereas if I just learn Live I still have a full featured DAW but also have the live performance aspect. Less tech, more creativity. Your mileage may vary.
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