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New Goa trance that actually sounds like Goa trance!?

Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 19:34
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On 2011-08-12 19:14, dreadieg wrote:
but….but…..
isn't that what ya'll are always harpin on? how shit was soooo much better then psytrance was goa and all that?

now neo-goa isn't good enough cause it's been done.
ya'll confuse me.




Nope that's not what I am saying. I am saying I would love to hear something new and not a repeat of the 90's. I am not saying the "new" Goa is less good than the Goa from the 90's. My "problem" is the many new artists who copy IMO way too much from the 90's.           www.beatagency.dk
Ricxpa
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 19:50
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I agree BUT I also feel there is a huge fear for criticism in this scene. Point is that those who listen has every right to express their opinion (positive or negative). If an artist cant deal with criticism then dont release music.



I agree with you about criticism, but for Christ sake, can you please name artists or labels in ''newschool'' Goa-trance scene who bitched about criticism? If I recall well, only negative response was from Ezel-Ebed guys when few poeople posted some negative feedbacks about mastering of their releases.

I spoke with almost all guys who are involved in releasing this kind of music on their labels and I never found anyone who reacted that way as you mentioned above.

I find this kind of topics very useful and similar thread can be found on Psynews aswell, where listeners and people who are buying/downloading free releases and post their opinions and suggestions. This kind of debate can't do any harm, it can only improve someones work.

Speaking from my point of view, it's very important to be honest with your artists and with people who are checking your stuff, if I got situation where mixdown of track isn't good enough or if there is some part of track that I find boring or flat I always take extra time to writte down what I don't like and what I would like to change if it's possible, and I know that with thoose 30 minutes of time that I took for listening and writting my own feedback, that I helped that artist a lot, even if he doesn't decide to go with my proposition. I really can't find any artist that I worked with (and I worked with maybe 30 artists and contacted even more) who didn't accepted critique. Afterall, we all doing what we love and that is most important thing in the end, no-one can fulfill everyone's taste for music, especially in trance scene where you got like 20 sub-generes with different influences and styles.

Speaking of progress, I don't agree with Kristian, especially because I find this kind of music to be probably the most psychedelic, trippy and unique in this moment and yeah, that is my opinion and it's 100% based on my subjective taste. Does I have to mention that over and over again like you're doing on many topics here and on Psynews? Not really.

Style? Is it goa trance? Yes it is, this music is highly influenced by mid '90 Goa trance and the only difference in my humble opinion is way of making thoos tunes. Now we got tons of software and virtual instruments, better way of recording tunes and publishing them to the masses, better ''conditions'' overall. It's new, it's story is happening now and for me it's new/neo/newschool goa trance. It's not a big issue for me to bother and waste precious time about the name, someone will call it Goa trance, someone wouldn't.

Can we get more videos from newschool goa trance spheres that you liked or you find good enough?
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 21:08
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On 2011-08-12 19:50, Ricxpa wrote:
I agree with you about criticism, but for Christ sake, can you please name artists or labels in ''newschool'' Goa-trance scene who bitched about criticism?



Yes when we announced the result of the winner of the Sheyba Trance Africa Express remix competition I witnessed a lot of bitching from some of the participating "Neo Goa" (Their own invented name - not mine) artists when I explained why we did not find their remixes good enough to win. Bitching that IMO turned ugly and did not made me think they wanted to listen to any constructive critique (I explained very carefully why they did not win).

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On 2011-08-12 19:50, Ricxpa wrote:
Speaking from my point of view, it's very important to be honest with your artists and with people who are checking your stuff, if I got situation where mixdown of track isn't good enough or if there is some part of track that I find boring or flat I always take extra time to writte down what I don't like and what I would like to change if it's possible, and I know that with thoose 30 minutes of time that I took for listening and writting my own feedback, that I helped that artist a lot, even if he doesn't decide to go with my proposition. I really can't find any artist that I worked with (and I worked with maybe 30 artists and contacted even more) who didn't accepted critique. Afterall, we all doing what we love and that is most important thing in the end, no-one can fulfill everyone's taste for music, especially in trance scene where you got like 20 sub-generes with different influences and styles.



I think I was very honest in this debate and also explained very carefully WHY I do not find most (if not all) new goa interesting and why I think it's not at all looking forward IMO. And yet I have to face especially one person bitching that I dare to write my opinion here. Not a newsflash in this scene where criticism is a foreign word and where people are so afraid of stepping one step outside their IMO false PLUR box.


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On 2011-08-12 19:50, Ricxpa wrote:
Can we get more videos from newschool goa trance spheres that you liked or you find good enough?



Yes the day I actually find something I really like. But why is it so important for some of you guys here to see me post something I like? You do not need my "blue stamp" of approval;)
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dreadieg
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 01:50
i'm not afraid of being out of the plur box whatsoever. i'm bitter and jaded…..

but, if that's the attitude we have, why not be happy that your music is better and you get paid more and get more bookings?
i mean, isn't that the point of being good, when you're doing it for a business/competitive level?           Doof Local
Ricxpa
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 04:55
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Yes when we announced the result of the winner of the Sheyba Trance Africa Express remix competition I witnessed a lot of bitching from some of the participating "Neo Goa" (Their own invented name - not mine) artists when I explained why we did not find their remixes good enough to win. Bitching that IMO turned ugly and did not made me think they wanted to listen to any constructive critique (I explained very carefully why they did not win).



Yeah I remember that competition, here is an orginal topic: http://www.psynews.org/forums/index.php?/topic/58910-and-the-winner-is/ so everyone can see how you changed rules of competition and made such a drama of it. With all due respect to Disco Hooligans and their work (huge fan of their latest work with Etnica remixes), I still can't understand your drama-queen attitud in this particular situation and how you managed to gain such a great attention and publicity from it.

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I think I was very honest in this debate and also explained very carefully WHY I do not find most (if not all) new goa interesting and why I think it's not at all looking forward IMO. And yet I have to face especially one person bitching that I dare to write my opinion here. Not a newsflash in this scene where criticism is a foreign word and where people are so afraid of stepping one step outside their IMO false PLUR box.



The fact dude here is that you're posting your negative opinions on every topic that's been releated to modern goa trance, not only here, but on Psynews aswell and not only about this genre, but on many genres and Honestly, I don't find your posts or your IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO as a critique that will be useful to somebody. In my case 95% of your posts and replies are pure flood of negativity without any proper reason and that got nothing with PLUR or anything related with.

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Yes the day I actually find something I really like. But why is it so important for some of you guys here to see me post something I like? You do not need my "blue stamp" of approval;)



Kristian from Elysium, I don't have a private message session with you here, I posted this to all listeners and girls/boys who listen or who will listen this kind of music, to give their own recommendations and their likings.           http://www.neogoa.net
Ricxpa
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 05:02
Just to keep this debate ontopic and without any more flame, here is a taste of ASTRAL PROJECTION TOP DJ MAG, MFG, INFECTED MUSHROOM, SANDMAN, ELYSIUM, HALLUCINOGEN, GOA GIL inspired GOA that should be released in couple of days for 0$ at our beloved Ektoplazm:





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V3NOM
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 06:51
Oakenfold's new tracks, despite the shit title, to me actual comes across as pretty good Goa/Early fullon if somewhat cheesey.





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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 16:05
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On 2011-08-13 04:55, Ricxpa wrote:


Yeah I remember that competition, here is an orginal topic: http://www.psynews.org/forums/index.php?/topic/58910-and-the-winner-is/ so everyone can see how you changed rules of competition and made such a drama of it. With all due respect to Disco Hooligans and their work (huge fan of their latest work with Etnica remixes), I still can't understand your drama-queen attitud in this particular situation and how you managed to gain such a great attention and publicity from it.




You are funny

Of course we changed the rules. There was not one tune (Except the Disco Hooligans) good enough to be released. That's a fact! And beside that we had every right to change the rules seen in the light that there was way too few remixes to choose from. That was carefully explained where after the die hard neo go fans behaved like spoiled children and also attacking Disco Hooligans.Yes read the whole psynews thread and see the truth. Not your colored opinion DUDE. The drama queens was the die hard neo goa fans behaving like spoiled brats!

You said in an earlier reply that no neo goa artist ever had taken criticism in a bad way. I gave you an example. Read and see the truth.

But of course you cant handle the truth and have to twist it to your own twisted beliefs as you are one of the Die hard Neo goa fans. Mr.Neo Goa Design


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On 2011-08-13 04:55, Ricxpa wrote:

The fact dude here is that you're posting your negative opinions on every topic that's been releated to modern goa trance, not only here, but on Psynews aswell and not only about this genre, but on many genres and Honestly, I don't find your posts or your IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO as a critique that will be useful to somebody. In my case 95% of your posts and replies are pure flood of negativity without any proper reason and that got nothing with PLUR or anything related with.



Oh sad that you think its wrong of me to post my honest opinion. The world would be so rosy red if I behaved according to your high standards DUDE and thought all music was kilarghhhhh

I believe most here know I am Kristian from Elysium so it's not a Newsflash to announce it DUDE           www.beatagency.dk
Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 16:16
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On 2011-08-13 05:02, Ricxpa wrote:
Just to keep this debate ontopic and without any more flame, here is a taste of ASTRAL PROJECTION TOP DJ MAG, MFG, INFECTED MUSHROOM, SANDMAN, ELYSIUM, HALLUCINOGEN, GOA GIL inspired GOA that should be released in couple of days for 0$ at our beloved Ektoplazm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOjRYzZpjc




Yes you are good at non flaming topics DUDE

Please tell me where you hear the Elysium inspiration. I hear none           www.beatagency.dk
Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 17:08
Kristian,
You often present interesting (although unpopular) thoughts. You obviously know a lot about both writing music and listening to it, and you approach both activities with a critical eye (or ear, rather). However, you totally suck at presenting your views in a way, which would not make your listeners want to punch you in the nose.

I hope you're more careful in expressing your thoughts in real life. Wouldn' want anything ugly to happen to you.
Ricxpa
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 17:09
Ain't gonna give you any more reasons for going offtopic, I posted my opinion about this subject and about your way of behaving on this kind of topics and you posted yours. For sake of people who actually comes to read about this music, I'll avoid further debates and disagreements.





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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 21:17
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On 2011-08-13 17:08, Maine Coon wrote:
Kristian,
You often present interesting (although unpopular) thoughts. You obviously know a lot about both writing music and listening to it, and you approach both activities with a critical eye (or ear, rather). However, you totally suck at presenting your views in a way, which would not make your listeners want to punch you in the nose.

I hope you're more careful in expressing your thoughts in real life. Wouldn' want anything ugly to happen to you.



I speak my mind and are always 100% honest and some of you guys are IMO extremely false in the matter that you want to appear "good" but yet you hit down hard on people you do not agree with or in your opinion do not "speak the right way". Funny is in my opinion you guys appear the same way as you accuse me of

Think about it instead of preaching how I should speak and behave

I was debating here, giving my opinion (after being asked to give my opinion) and I also explained very polite why I did not like the music and what I thought would be a better way (constructive criticism - not saying people have to agree). And then "bang" in came the "Teachers" with their "right way of expression" preaches

Sorry but until you guys get down from your high horses and live what you preach I am not going to take you serious.

Ricxpa is a very good example of someone jumping into the middle of a debate starting his "moral preaching" on how I should speak and behave and then after jumping out with a salute: "Ain't gonna give you any more reasons for going off-topic" even though he was the one starting to go off-topic. A typical "troll" strategy. Attack and back out making the attacked look like he started it all

He too does not appear to live what he preach

And no I have never been into a fight in my life and is considered a very good friend who help my friends in any way I can among those who know me. So stop assuming things
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 21:31
^
If I hadn't looked at your signature, I would've thought that this post was written by Tina. No wonder you two clash so often.

Anyway, I am in no way affected by what you say or how you say it. And I am not trying to preach. It's your nose, after all.
Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 21:34
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On 2011-08-13 21:31, Maine Coon wrote:
And I am not trying to preach.



Of course you are not. You live what you preach (insert irony)
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Ricxpa
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Posted : Aug 14, 2011 06:49
Sheyba - Trance Africa Express (2010 Remix by Space Elves / Somnesia

One of my favorite remixes in last couple of years. True essence of Goa trance back than, with emotional melodies and great storytelling. Unfortunaley, this tune is only available on youtube for listening







Respect goes to Christophe from Somnesia for a great video! Supporting animal liberation! Shocking images included!           http://www.neogoa.net
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