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new format for psy synthesis descussion?
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braininavat
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Posted : Apr 25, 2010 16:53
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On 2010-04-25 02:49, 5meohd wrote:
in almost every kick tutorial I've ever seen they use a steep pitch curve to give some type of "smack" or "suck" which I thought was effecting the dynamics of the audio.. no?
especially now.. after seeing that the common psy squelch has alot to do with pitch mod this strengthens my curiosity of the "theory" of pitch modulation and how it can create such VARIED sounds from.. say.. the exact same oscillators.
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I think maybe you don't understand the variable lengths of time within the envelope.
The super fast attack envelope on filter cuttoff to create a subtractive kick would just sound like a very fast slide if done on pitch.
A rising pitch modulation env that takes 2 seconds to complete would make the kick not sound like a kick at all but a filter sweep applied to cutoff.
Absynth might help you visualize better what is going on with the envelopes.
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5meohd
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Posted : Apr 27, 2010 11:18
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i understand what an envelope does when I apply it to something.
i have a hard time "hearing" in music what envelopes might have been applied where... probably due to the vast array of possible conclusions.
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mubali
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Posted : Apr 27, 2010 21:26
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"I don't really get anything about what you just said?
Dynamics (music), In music, dynamics refers to the softness or loudness of a sound or note. The term is also applied to the written or printed musical notation used to indicate dynamics (also known as volume in a song)
how does the pitch envelope have "nothing" to do with that?"
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When you adjust the pitch envelope, there is no change of the volume of the sound. The smack of the kick is just a higher frequency, but not any louder than the body of the kick, unless you adjust the amplitude envelope or use compression afterwards.
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electronic maddness
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 00:48
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though on a side note...since humans hear in a non linear way...a sound will "seem" to be louder in the mid frequencies although the level is not actually changing 
i can explain it to you...but i cannot understand it for you... |
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cornerstone
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Posted : May 2, 2010 10:22
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i don't want this thread to end I'm learning so much just reading what you guys are discussing here. |
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5meohd
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Posted : May 3, 2010 03:46
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me too! so adding higher frequencies to an existing tone generates NO additional dynamics/volume/loudness/db?
hmm.. thanks mubali!
also sorry the thread turned out to be a bad idea.. I can see now in some of the mother threads how you (mubali) have put in some time over there thoroughly describing some synth techniques.
i'm trying to make it a point to recreate the better explained ones on this site in ableton and then create some tutorials. I'm so used to ableton but part of me thinks they truly do have a simplistic and well described manner of labeling/routing there synths....... as in.. watching a tut on making sound in operator might help people to make that sound in massive.. vs. the other way around being a tad more difficult because of massives massive potential! lol. |
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mubali
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Posted : May 3, 2010 09:05
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here's a bit of clarification for you:
If you boost frequencies using an EQ, you will boost the volume of a signal. However creating the tap of a kick drum is not boosting frequencies to an already existing sound. You are taking the very first part of the sound and doing a rapid pitch shift on it. This will not add frequencies to an existing sound, it will just convert the initial part of the sound to a higher harmonic...
If I get some time, I'll post a visual representation of what I'm referring to.
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orgytime
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Posted : May 3, 2010 10:15
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good post Mandari !
this HORRIBLE search funktion is a part of the whole confutson!
when im looking for something, i always try every option... i never got results...
lets say, i like mubali and looking for his posts in the mother of all threads, its a pain in the ass! www.soundcloud.com/orgytime |
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5meohd
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Posted : May 3, 2010 10:56
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thanks mubali, I got it now.
my main question/idea was: (forget about envelopes/pitch bends) when playing different harmonics or notes are some not naturally "louder" than others? of course assuming its all velocity parameters are zero'd and there are no fx what so ever.
is g1 not any "louder" than an a2 or even a g5?
I would think that each note would in fact have different dynamics, but I'm actually really curious to know. |
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mubali
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Posted : May 4, 2010 03:29
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if you could see the waveform for g1 and the waveforms for every other synth, then they would have the same loudness, however our hearing is keyed to listening for a certain frequency range, the range that the human voice operates on.
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5meohd
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Posted : May 4, 2010 05:05
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cool. thanks. |
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