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Krell
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Posted : Nov 29, 2004 20:11
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New danish electronic music community website online - www.electrobeat.dk
Features.
- Partylist
- Chart
- Chat
- Debate / Forum
- Mail system
+ much more.
We aim to create a functional, multifeatured site at which people can work together to create an interesting network of people dedicated to electronic music.
Enjoy 
*smiles*
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Ringo Gringo
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 15:16
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was just surfing the site....
Is it for Electronic music in general or just trance & house... seems like everything there is just trance...
Well why make another copy of Trancetunnel.dk when its already there....
Splitting up people on diffrent sites is not good for the unity of the danish brethren!
if im totally of track i appolegise for my outburst... but there seem to be to many sites wanting to be THE trance portal...
And TranceTunnel seems fit for the job IMO!
(must add that im not the biggest user of Trancetunnel)
But anyway, i like what ur trying to do and really appreciate when people work for the culture and the electronic scene... but havent it allready been coverd??
is there any need for more sites, aiming for the entire dansih audience....
i know that sometimes the sites have a concept u might not agree with but use the forum for the discusion and see if other members of this community feels the same... and aybe then it will be changed (if its noticed by the moderators)
But as i said keep up the good work..
and dont take this to personal... its ment for all people who want to make a site for trance in Denmark...
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Krell
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 23:20
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Hello Ringo Gringo
Thanks for your interest and comments Actually, what you are saying here, are things I myself brought up when I was first introduced to the project.
" was just surfing the site....
Is it for Electronic music in general or just trance & house... seems like everything there is just trance..."
It is for electronic music in general, but at the moment, we are having a hard time getting "non trancers" to join the site. Since most of the people who are working on the site are Trance / Chillout people. Also, its hard to really introduce new websites / services to people, many are simply "loyal" to the existing communities they are at, and react almost aggressively to new alternatives.
The name, electrobeat is derived from electronic beats - which covers everything electronic which is music. The scene in Denmark, is very divided into Psy and Techno - It wasnt always like this though. For many of us, the interest in electronic music covers more than just 1 genre, it basicly covers every genre - and so does electrobeat.
"Well why make another copy of Trancetunnel.dk when its already there....
Splitting up people on diffrent sites is not good for the unity of the danish brethren!"
Both Electrobeat and Trancetunnel are internet communities, like arto, nightleif, dating and so forth. Places on the net where people of similar interests can connect and communicate.
The difference in Electrobeat from Trancetunnel is to be found in the quality of its content, and what users the sites are to appeal to. Of course, Im very much bias here, and what content is better than the other will be up to the individual user to decide.
Electrobeat is a much faster site, it has better programming - The features of the site are more functional and are only there if they really do provide benefits to the user. Electrobeat is all that in its first version, from day one.
Still, we believe Trancetunnel will improve with its next version - Perhaps even surpass Electrobeat for now in matters of speed and functionality.
I think, what you will notice at Electrobeat is that there will be put more energy, time and thought into the development of the site... Also, we aim at a niche in the electronic music scene - That niche is people who are really passionate about the music.
Electrobeat is by no means perfect, we know that - Compatibility issues are something we need to adress. I think, in order for us to expect anyone to put any faith in our project, we need time - Time to prove we are dedicated to developing the site...
"if im totally of track i appolegise for my outburst... but there seem to be to many sites wanting to be THE trance portal...
And TranceTunnel seems fit for the job IMO!
(must add that im not the biggest user of Trancetunnel)"
It is not the goal of Electrobeat to become THE tranceportal. It is however the goal of Electrobeat to become the best danish electronic music portal for people who have a serious interest in electronic music.
There are some of us, who used to be on Trancetunnel, who are not satisfied with the site as far the other users go, the speed of the site, the moderation and such. Thus, we set out to create something different that would meet our needs better than trancetunnel could. Or, in other words, something we could shape and control directly ourselves into our vision of what the community should be like.
"But anyway, i like what ur trying to do and really appreciate when people work for the culture and the electronic scene... but havent it allready been coverd??"
Well, competition is often good for enhancing quality - We would like to see trancetunnel as well as Electrobeat evolve. Inspire each other to become more than they are now, and force the developers behind the sites to work on improving them.
I think, there is room for more sites about electronic music on the net, as long as the quality of the sites increase - But, in truth, I cant answer your question. Time will tell.
"is there any need for more sites, aiming for the entire dansih audience...."
Need is not the question - You can create need you see. The question is, is there more potential on the internet for danish sites concerning electronic music - Or in other words, are the danish websites taking full advantage of what the internet has to offer ? We think no, and I think in order for the sites to keep evolving, we NEED competition.
This is what Electrobeat offers, an alternative - Nothing more than that... This is actually very important to the team behind Electrobeat. We are music enthusiasts ourselves, and we want to improve the ressources available online.
"i know that sometimes the sites have a concept u might not agree with but use the forum for the discusion and see if other members of this community feels the same... and aybe then it will be changed (if its noticed by the moderators)"
Yes, thats the way its supposed to work. This is one of our goals, to listen to the users of the site, to be true to our purpose and to provide better transparency for the users. Also, many of us have used Trancetunnel for years, and as such, have no disputes with the site at all.
"But as i said keep up the good work.. and dont take this to personal... its ment for all people who want to make a site for trance in Denmark..."
We are happy that you show interest, we knew these things would have to be adressed and actually put a lot of thought and effort into what the site is all about and why.
Trancetunnel is a benchmark for us, and the similarities are apparent since they are both internet communities adressing people listening to electronic music.
Before Trancetunnel, there was an internet community on ofir.dk called TechnoTalk - That community is dead now, it was basicly just 1 forum... However, it does show what happens to communities if they do not evolve... If we want a danish community in the future, we need to evolve, and evolve faster than we do now.
Hope this covers everything
Regards
Krell
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HandA
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A great idea but what i have seen there are the usual "tramp" people from Trancetunnel signing up. Hardly the kind of people you are aiming at 
I hope the site will improve but I agree that as it is now it do not offer much that aren't already at trancetunnel. I hope it'll change since I find trancetunnel boring and too much caught up in KILLAAARRR music and people Hopefully it wont happen at this site but I already see many of those same KILLAAARRR people signing up at your site too. No offense but they aren't the people your aiming at - if I have understood you correctly? |
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Krell
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Howdi HandA
"A great idea but what i have seen there are the usual "tramp" people from Trancetunnel signing up. Hardly the kind of people you are aiming at"
The people we are aiming at are people who are passionate about the music, this means 1.: Dancers 2.: Artists 3.: Party Organizers and 4.: Label people. At the moment, all 4 types of people are represent ed on the site and participating actively on every part of the site.
Like I wrote to Ringo Gringo, we do have a surplus of trance users at the moment - This is a more difficult problem to adress since actually, its sometimes a bit tougher to get a "bite" of the other genres, lets say house.
As a matter of fact, a post on housemusik.dk resulted in someone (DJ Daniel) writing something like "get this shitty post about the shit website off from the forum"... And this in a forum, where far from everything has anything to do with electronic music :-/
It is much harder to get respect from that crowd I think, and I dont think we can get a lot of house, electro, techno and minimal users overnight. (However, we are lucky to already have some).
This is also why we wrote elsewhere that "getting users from trancetunnel, is not really our prime concern" - Which is on http://www.electrobeat.dk under "debat" then the forum "Feedback" and "Strategi". Since we would actually like a varied crowd... Variation is strength, but its damn hard to achieve, the whole electronic music scene is split, not only in Denmark but in the whole world.
We might not succeed in getting die hard fans of genres other than Trance/Chillout to participate, but we will damn well make hell of an effort to integrate those who enjoy ALL electronic music genres.
There are 2 kinds of users, active and inactive ones. The inactive ones lurk on the site and do nothing much - They do not generate content for others to read. I think, what you need to look for is what content is being generated.
If you make a comparison, I think that you will find that there is more "relevant" and "music related" content being generated at the site, per user, than there is on lets say trancetunnel. This is one of our goals.
"I hope the site will improve but I agree that as it is now it do not offer much that aren't already at trancetunnel."
The sites are very similar yes, since they are both internet communities - Have a look at arto.dk for a large and multifeatured one just for comparison. As such, communities will be very alike.
However, I dont think Trancetunnel does that good a job of its features (which I do think will improve quickly now that there is competition though). I really want you to make a note of this ->we want to improve BOTH sites, and we can do this more effectively by means of competition than giving Trancetunnel feedback<-. Trancetunnel as a site has stood still for 2 years now.. more or less, same bugs, little to no moderation etc...
From the top of my head I can mention these things that we do better - of course, time will tell whether we will do more things better in the future. Trancetunnel is afterall, a consistent effort of a few people for over 5 years now, we have a lot of respect for that kind of dedication! Our site is 5 days old in comparison.
- Better Chart (better spelling, last week, next week, points etc for the tracks)
- Integrated Picture archive (not that its new, but trancetunnel doesnt have it and we integrate it with other profiling features)
- User profiles pictures portray the users themselves, IMG allowed in profiles. Better data.
- Better and Faster moderation + the moderators contact the ones being moderated explaining why. (this creates a learning process for the users)
- Better and more interesting chat system, with timestamps, smileys and idle timeouts.
- Better online, chat and a favourite lists from which profiles are directly accessible.
- Better search option for users to browse thru other users profiles..
- Better profiling system, among other things incorporating the ability to choose alternative music styles as well as indicate partner status (yeah, we do adress dating on this lower level), stats etc.
- Better user info, as far as the picture archive goes, you can have your picture taken and display it under your profile if you want to.
- Better profiling settings, possibilities of receiving notice of mails and adjusting many other relevant events.
- Better debate/forum, with the option of opening entire threads, instead of clicking thru every sub thread.
- Higher performance coding. The site is much faster than trancetunnel in general tasks, login, check profile, check debate and access chat.
For us, its not only a matter of things having been done before - Its a matter of doing things better than they have already been done. Also, we have a huge list of improvements for Electrobeat ready, however, we do not want to integrate them from day one. If the site evolves too fast, there wont be time to mature the features... However, the above are some of the improvements over Trancetunnel which are present in the current first version of Electrobeat.
Trancetunnel are working on their next version of their site, and Im guessing they will want to adress all of the above in their development, at least I hope so (the better they make their site, the better we will have to make ours - in the end, the better a community we danes will get - its a win : win situation)
"I hope it'll change since I find trancetunnel boring and too much caught up in KILLAAARRR music and people Hopefully it wont happen at this site but I already see many of those same KILLAAARRR people signing up at your site too."
We want people who go to our site for discussing electronic music related things and to share their passion with others. If you browse thru the debate forums, thats what you will see people doing. We are NOT adressing the elite of the electronic music scene as such, Electrobeat is not an elitist site. However, we do consider the above a niche, and a niche Trancetunnel can no longer target mainly do to its size, and the fact that they havent been moderating enough (user behaviour standards are low).
Frankly, whether people call a track "killar music" or "Progressive House with a twist psychedelia coupled with a subtle but yet defined taste of french electro house" isnt all important. Whats important is that they are passionate about the music, and that they contribute to the site from that energy.
"No offense but they aren't the people your aiming at - if I have understood you correctly?"
Non taken You misunderstood me slightly yes. To be more precise about who we do not want then its people who are only in the scene for doing, selling or buying drugs. We dont want electronic music affiliated more with drugs than it already is. Checkout topics in "debat" -> "general" called "kan man høre musikken uden at være på stoffer?" and "Operation X".
We do also want more "serious" users, but we also want those who just love the music and are maybe not Muscians, Organizers or similar themselves. We want people to stay on topic in the forum, and who respect each other by creating a better atmosphere from which the community can evolve. Call it mature maybe ?
I think, for a 5 day old community, Electrobeat has already matured a lot. If we can keep it up with the development, updates and so forth, imagine what it will be like in 5 years. Still, that is the challenge everytime a new website is announced "will they stick with the project" - This is also what we respect Trancetunnel for, the fact that they created something for the electronic music scene, and stuck with it for so long.
Regards
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Ringo Gringo
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BOOM...
Nice reply... both of them, nice to see u know what u are doing... and that u have a plan, and is not only some HTX geek with an itch for programming and a craving for E! :]
U'll probably see me more in ur forum...
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Troll@CrackWhoreModels
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Posted : Dec 4, 2004 09:08
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im in there and i hate E and Tramp 
hhaha but anyway yes i just hope as well that it wont be all the "kids" from TT theres aswelll....seem to be very hard to write anything importen or serious at TT before some lame man post something like : do anybody have pictures or why did astrix only play from his new album at his release party
but seems to so be very serious site thoug
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Djruth
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this one gets a thumps up from here..
first i thought the idea of another site like this was lame...
but must say it has some nice features and proves that TT needs a serious update to keep the users around..
after all this is 2005 soon..
so it should be possible to make a link or even a smiely in the main chat! 
about people being splittet, i guess you can check by both places with no problem.. |
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psypox
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On 2004-12-02 15:16, Ringo Gringo wrote:
Well why make another copy of Trancetunnel.dk when its already there....
Splitting up people on diffrent sites is not good for the unity of the danish brethren!
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hørt
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Krell
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 11:46
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To Psypox
"hørt"
Did you read my reply as well ?
So far, we are getting some really positive response - and, it seems Trancetunnel is already stepping up their development of their next version. Which is great.
If you yourself, agree with that its not good for the danish brethren that its scene is being split up over different sites, then why did you create http://www.psytrance.dk ?
Im guessing you did it, because you could create a better forum, than what "we" had on Trancetunnel... A valid reason I think.
I know, an argument could be to create something "pure psytrance", but hey, thats almost what Trancetunnel is now, actually, what is pure psytrance anyway ?
Its the same thing for the people behind Electrobeat, we think we can do a better job - So we try to. If we succeed, we will enrich people, and if not, it wont matter anyway.
Also, from my answer to Ringo Gringo, you can read that we are actually aiming to create something that differs from Trancetunnel. A lot of thought and time has gone into that... As it is, you havent even been on the site since it was released, so how do you know its exactly the same ?
Which is also what most of the users of the site confirm thus far, thats its not the same as Trancetunnel.
Kind Regards.
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psypox
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 12:36
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On 2004-12-08 11:46, Krell wrote:
To Psypox
"hørt"
Did you read my reply as well ?
So far, we are getting some really positive response - and, it seems Trancetunnel is already stepping up their development of their next version. Which is great.
If you yourself, agree with that its not good for the danish brethren that its scene is being split up over different sites, then why did you create http://www.psytrance.dk ?
Im guessing you did it, because you could create a better forum, than what "we" had on Trancetunnel... A valid reason I think.
I know, an argument could be to create something "pure psytrance", but hey, thats almost what Trancetunnel is now, actually, what is pure psytrance anyway ?
Its the same thing for the people behind Electrobeat, we think we can do a better job - So we try to. If we succeed, we will enrich people, and if not, it wont matter anyway.
Also, from my answer to Ringo Gringo, you can read that we are actually aiming to create something that differs from Trancetunnel. A lot of thought and time has gone into that... As it is, you havent even been on the site since it was released, so how do you know its exactly the same ?
Which is also what most of the users of the site confirm thus far, thats its not the same as Trancetunnel.
Kind Regards.
Krell
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Psytrance.dk is a news site, who write news about psytrance artists, partys and releases. (PSYTRANCE ONLY??!?!?!?) Thats my conzzept for psytrance.dk... i sayd to clark when he was building elektrobeat.dk that we coud make a site for psytrance.dk, and make the conzzept PSYTRANCE ONLY... but no...
elektrobeat.dk is a copy of trancetunnels conzzept (:D), and to be honnest, trancetunnel is fine for me, and i realy dont want to use more time to discuss this.
Have a nice day!
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Krell
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 13:10
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Hi Psypox
Ill make this short, so I dont take up too much of your time.
"Psytrance.dk is a news site, who write news about psytrance artists, partys and releases. (PSYTRANCE ONLY??!?!?!?) Thats my conzzept for psytrance.dk... i sayd to clark when he was building elektrobeat.dk that we coud make a site for psytrance.dk, and make the conzzept PSYTRANCE ONLY... but no... "
I know, but you do have forums about many things other than just news also
"elektrobeat.dk is a copy of trancetunnels conzzept (:D), and to be honnest, trancetunnel is fine for me, and i realy dont want to use more time to discuss this. "
All internet communities are variations of themselves, its a concept of its own.
Now, we have 2 internet community concept sites, catering the electronic music scene.
I was simply curious as to why you would create a website/community yourself when you agree with the fact that it will split the scene.
Fair enough you dont want to spend time discussing it, I was just probing your arguments for not supporting the site Im a nit picky bastard you know hehehe.
Ive intentionally left this post free of any "?"´s so you wont have to answer
Kind Regards
Krell
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Virus-Tekk (Dolhan)
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I joined Both of them |
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Krell
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 15:04
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Ey Dolhan
There you go! Problem solved
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