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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 15:14
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On 2011-01-30 04:34, Sprocket wrote:
Something a bit more foresty
Theres nice ideas in but at the same time i find the bass very boring , Also the track need an better mix when all fx's and toys must gain down and bass and kik are leading the track .
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On 2011-03-18 17:42, Sprocket wrote:
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Same here .. Where the bass ? (This is the first thing we should hear with the kik then the other sounds)
And for the last track you add :
Listen by yourself ..
Track start nice .. But when others tools are integrated in (and then for all over the track) Bass take the
background place when this must be inverse and he should lead the track (With the kik) .
- I understand what you are saying, but im wondering if this is a specific problem with how i master them..
When I play live, i have no problems with kick and bass, and have actually had to reduce and compress some more, as the big rigs make a LOT more bass..
What styles of psy are you comparing this with? Can you link me an example please?
I should also stress i have a studio at home, and have had some of my tracks sent off and mastered by Overdream, who has said they sounded perfect in the bass department.. so Im a little puzzled by your comments.. if you can link me a track that sounds like you are explaining, ai can do some comparisons
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 16:57
You have good music but the problam is with your mix , Theres nothing to do with the mastering , The master get your track the way it is so he cant change it in or do much , He just bring all be sound high but when the mix is bad so what you want ? Also seems you use an high note for the bass so theres no right space in - All sound high . Other thing .. (Thats what im doing after mix) Before mastering take the all down sound to machine to open it + Bring it be more down AND Take the all high sound into a machine to bring them be more high , Then put them all together in another machine and check that all is fit then bring them be more high sound together both . Also imo you should keep working on your bass , Your high sounds sound good but the bass compared to them sound bad (This is another reason) . I dont know about your live sets , I know one thing , I know that when this will be play in the turbos will be alots of whistling and noises and nothing down there to hold and hug the track .
Hi Cardinals - thanks again for your input.. what I meant was, I am now mastering my own tracks, so i know what it does, and how it works
- and during teh mastering process I use multiband parrallel compression, which effects the volume of the lows, low mids, mids and highs all seperately, so I could very well have effected the lows to much, causing it to sound over trebly - This is why i like peoples feedback. - So thank you
I will see what I can do with the bass volume. I am always working on my bass sound, and probably always will.. its always evolving
- Do know though that i have already played out on many medium and big rigs, and it sounds clear, and bassy. - So its hard to know exaclty whats causing you to think its not bassey enough :\
- Thanks Makus - will go back to that.. I may have over excited, or used the side EQ to much on teh trebles.
On 2011-04-07 18:38, Sprocket wrote:
- and during teh mastering process I use multiband parrallel compression, which effects the volume of the lows, low mids, mids and highs all seperately
i am really glad you are moving in different directions and learning mastering too, but why the fuck do you need to use multiband compression to improve mix if you have project file and you can fix all those thing during the arrangement?
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Makus.. you talk to me like I know as much as you! - I am stil learning, and you have been helping!
I dont know why.. You told me a small amout of parralell multiband compression was a good thing! - Now I see you are sayng only when you have to master from a WAV right? - I understand this now.
I have NO compression on my bassline channel, only the kick. I was under the impression I shhould use MB compression on my mastering as it can make the bassline sound tighter under the mix. - Are you saying I can do this with volumes alone? or should I add some compression just to my bassline channel?
I never did sound design, or studio work until recently.. And im only doing it cause you have helped me feel like I can do it through the nice things you have said about my sound.. So my understanding of these things has come mainly from you.
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 23:16
On 2011-04-08 12:38, Sprocket wrote:
I dont know why.. You told me a small amout of parralell multiband compression was a good thing! - Now I see you are sayng only when you have to master from a WAV right? - I understand this now.
Well, yes, it may be helpful, but all I wanted to say is that one should polish the track as good as he can on the mix stage. Do your best with mixing and only after that master the track. If you feel your bass is lacking sub freq or low in volume - fix that inside the project, not with mastering. That's my opinion and I recommend doing this way.
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I have NO compression on my bassline channel, only the kick. I was under the impression I shhould use MB compression on my mastering as it can make the bassline sound tighter under the mix. - Are you saying I can do this with volumes alone? or should I add some compression just to my bassline channel?
I nearly never compress electronic kick drums, because, honestly, I don't see a point in it. Compressing kick drums comes from acoustic music where a drummer hits bass drum with his leg The kick aren't always of the same level, right? Compressing them helps make bass drum sound tighter and better translate. However in electronic music, where you use the same kick sample, what's the point to compress it?
Compression of kick and bass group track may help gluing them together though. I use sidechain a lot in my psy production. I almost all my tracks have it. It helps me bring groove and make kick more defined in the mix.
Thus, compression is quite important, I believe that there are things which are much more important for creating good kick and bass combo. Perfect drum samples, tuning kick and bass into the same key, note length and velocities, envelope settings... You can't make good combo without that, but you sure can do a great combo without compression.
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I never did sound design, or studio work until recently.. And im only doing it cause you have helped me feel like I can do it through the nice things you have said about my sound.. So my understanding of these things has come mainly from you.
Hehe
- I am stil learning, and you have been helping!