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martyn
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Posted : Mar 28, 2006 10:34
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Is anybody interested in the new moog-synth?
http://www.moogmusic.com/news.php?cat_id=107
it'll be presented on the musikmesse frankfurt that starts tomorrow.
after working alot with software i'm interested in working with real analog hardware. two times i tried to get a juno-60. the first time i received a broken one, the second time i didn't receive anything at all and gave my money to a criminal. sad but true.
now i wonder if it's good to spend 400-600 euro for a very nice but very restricted synth from the 80s (like the juno-60 or the sh-101, each with midi-interfade) that may get broken early due to transport or age. or if it would be more clever to invest 600 more to get a new synth from moog (!) that won't get broken soon and that has guarantee and so. and that will supposingly sound great or even greater, too and is more flexible than the other old classics i mentioned above. what do you think?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Mar 28, 2006 22:12
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If getting an analouge it's definiatly a good idea to not get a old 70's machine.
Unless you a very lucky and find a machine in extremly good condition for a resonable price you will usually get a machine that sounds a bit tired.
I never been especially keen on Moogs though and always found Oberheim, ARP, Sequential and Korg to be more in my taste.
No doubt Moog made good sounding machines but i find the sound a bit somewhat too round and demands too much space for my taste.
If it is more flexible than many of the classics that is good news since they was lacking a lot of capabilities that other synths had at the time.
Of course barred from their modular systems, but of all the modulars I used I never encountered more frustrating systems to work with than the Moogs.
I'm prepared to be surprised, but I think I would rather go with a Studio Electronics ATC-X or something like a doepher modular.
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martyn
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Posted : Mar 28, 2006 22:47
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i don't know the sound of the new moog yet but i heard that many people swear on the moog basses. yes, "a bit too round" could be true for the moog sound. I'm no expert at all but moog often sounds and feels somehow lovely and round to me. maybe not really good for psytrance? i don't know... depends on what i want to do.
i don't think that the new moog is more flexible than the old moog-classics, i meant it's more flexible than a juno or a sh-101. the specifications can be seen in the link above. a new feature is the continuosly morphing facility from triangle to saw to square to skinny pulse-wave.
i heard a lot of sound-examples of the oberheim matrix 6/ 6r. i think it has many many interesting possibilities but i'm not really convinced to get one. even tho they are very affordable (about 300,- euro with a bit of luck i think) i don't like to have to twiddle the mouse again (via software-editor) and their sounds didn't make me go "aaahhh". maybe it's another thing to hear and place them in the mix, but standalone the sounds didn't really impress me like the sound of the juno-60 oder the moog prodigy did. but of course that can be due to the examples i heard. i found the sound a bit "thin2 somehow. not as warm as i like it. does anybody know some good tracks where the matrix 6 can be heard in psy or goa-action? i know that some psy artists like astral projection use them.
Arp: do they have any more modern synths or do you mean the old classics? same with sequential: i love the sound of the pro-one but i heard a couple of times that it isn't really easy to handle and that the quality of the hardware isn't the best, especially nowadays.
korgs are interesting... i mean the old ones like polysix, ms-series and so on. somehow ill but nice. but again very vintage. or is there any never analog synth from korg that you can recommend?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Mar 28, 2006 22:58
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I was thinking about the classics when I mentioned Sequential, Oberheim, Korg and ARP.
It's only Oberheim that has some recent models, and those are not especially good IMO.
TO me it's many times not at all the same to listen to a synth alone or actually working with it in the mix.
Preferably I like a mix of fat and thin sounds, but there is differnt type of fat sounds as well.
Some just tend to take a lot of space like the moogs, and some like for example sequential has a very dense sound while still being easy to fit in the mix.
But of course it all comes down to taste and what musci you make.
But moogs generally don't seem to be so popular with people who make very multilayered music, while it might be great if you making more minimal stuff where you want every sound to take as much space as possible.
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martyn
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Posted : Mar 28, 2006 23:14
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i didn't have the chance to work with real analog gear in my mixes yet but i believe you that it's different than to listen to synths solo. i think it's comparable to working with vst's. a fat and impressing solo-sound may be totally inappropriate for usage in a mix.
i aspire to layer many different sounds and melodies while keeping the transparency. thats not easy tho... if moog takes alot of space like you say this wouldn't be really good then...
are there any sound-examples of the studio Studio Electronics ATC-X available?
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diskOtek
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 17:12
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On 2006-03-28 10:34, martyn wrote:
now i wonder if it's good to spend 400-600 euro for a very nice but very restricted synth from the 80s (like the juno-60 or the sh-101, each with midi-interfade) that may get broken early due to transport or age. or if it would be more clever to invest 600 more to get a new synth from moog (!) that won't get broken soon and that has guarantee and so. and that will supposingly sound great or even greater, too and is more flexible than the other old classics i mentioned above. what do you think?
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by YOUR sayings it seems that inside u, u want the moog!
besides that i d recommend to save more and buy it,rather than getting an old device.
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martyn
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 21:24
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acidkills
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sonik_akb
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Posted : Aug 11, 2006 01:17
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Roland MKS-80 Super Jupiter (Jupiter 8 rack version) is an incredible synth with Jupiter signature and MIDI, and better, stable device.
Juno 60 is excellent (the same filter's chip like Jupiter), but doesn't have MIDI, so you'll have to sample it.
Juno 106 is famous for its sounds (kinda like Juno 60, but with another filter) and has MIDI. But it has some classical problems (my juno 106 is working fine ;-) |
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martyn
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Posted : Aug 11, 2006 13:28
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sonik_akb
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Posted : Aug 12, 2006 01:51
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On 2006-08-11 13:28, martyn wrote:
there are at least two midi-interfaces for the juno-60
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I think I was misunderstanding above, Juno-60 doesn't have MIDI "BUILT-IN". Juno-60 uses the Roland's DCB proprietary protocol. Roland MD-8 converts DCB to MIDI. It's an external device! |
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martyn
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Posted : Aug 12, 2006 01:58
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yes, and there are two modern interfaces from different companies that add more features to the juno-60, like additional lfo with many waveforms, velocity-to-filter and much more.
but i think i don't want to get a juno-60 anymore.
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