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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 20:47
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Leta, yes, the problem exists (like in every other place).
And writing on the web boards (unfortunatly)will not solve the problem.
Actions, and only actions. With yourself, family, friends, neighborhood... etc.
"Be the change you want to see in the world" (c)
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 21:01
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On 2007-02-18 20:30, gaspard wrote:
no worries. detox and i have fundamentally different ideas on a serious topic.this can make it hard not to involve oneself in a personal way, especially when a topic touches us deeply. sparks can fly but i bear no ill feeling about anyone. this is a forum and it is not always easy to understand or be understood, but this stays a debate, heated or not.
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Having a different ideas, is what makes us (humans) interesting, isn't it ?
Now, i don't want to look like a Mike's advocate (his is a big guy, he can stand by himself). I just want to comment something, cause I see real logic flaw here:
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2 : « I didnt knew that saying that women who dress to sexy on the road CAN CAUSE rape easier on themself is the same like saying that women who dress to sexy on the road DESERVE to get raped »
in words is different but in essence is the same. You re saying that the rapist is less guilty because of the way a woman is dressed.
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1. Actually the essence is different.
F.e. the CAUSE of the shouting was guard's quick move, but he doesn't DESERVE the bullet.
2. One can't be more or less guilty
He is, or he is not.
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Leta
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 21:09
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Your assumtion that... is absurd, and it reflects very badly on you. All I would care about my daughters marriage if I had a daughter would be that she marry somone who she is happy with and who I am confident will treat her properly.
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REFLECTS VERY BADLY!
Why? He only used the word rassist in another meaning. And, I admit that he used it in a wrong place. But it doesn't make him look bad, does it? I just don't understand why, if it does!
P.S. I'd look at your Russian=)
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Leta
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 21:10
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On 2007-02-18 20:47, Cyber Punk wrote:
Leta, yes, the problem exists (like in every other place).
And writing on the web boards (unfortunatly)will not solve the problem.
Actions, and only actions. With yourself, family, friends, neighborhood... etc.
"Be the change you want to see in the world" (c)
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I think, I am=) It's hard... |
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full_on
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 22:06
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Interesting discussion, nice to read some opinions, but unfortunately more than half is not really about the topic's subject which is "neonazism in russian psyscene".
Sounds like this topic's origin was some guy that decided to open an account on that forum and "spread his neonazi bullshit". It seems like that section is not even moderated, which means the owners of the forum do not necessarily agree with the post's content. So we can't say that forum is supporting that newbie's user opinion.
Of course there's preconception and other sad things in our scene, but as Cyber Punk pointed, we need to address these issues by spreading education and respect for each other, and the most effective way is to give the good example.
Let's keep that in mind, show it in ours every day's attitudes and keep dancing.
Respect!
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Alias
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 22:40
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full-on
i agree with you 100%
maybe the headline "neonazism in russian psyscene" was too dramaticly....if this headline or entire topic harmed to anybody...im sorry
but again i have to say ...we talking about psyscene ...not about fucking rap scene or racism in the world
its true that was firt post of this user but the comments of some regular users (some users with nazi swastica as avatar ) according this hating topic....woooww...i mean what the fuck?....first time in psy community i saw such a hating comments for no reason
its not indication about entire russian psy scene...but those russian ppl who loves the true psy spirit have to do something about this hitchhikers
again....if i harmed to anybody...im sorry
respect!
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V_V
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 22:40
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hm.. this post for everyone who has felt restrained - if you like to think so - go on, i can't stop you and don't want to do it.. but your thinks will so far from true, how much you is far from Moscow.. i'm in aeroboard community more than 3 years and i can tell with confidence, that the theme of rasicm is not so popular, how much a theme of jokes about everything, drugs and music.. that topic is exception, instead of rule, but some people here like to make elephant from the fly..))
But it is necessary to recognize, that in our society all is absolutely uneasy now, including concerning nazism.. But will agree, that it not an occasion to consider all russian psytrance community as nazis.. Otherwise nazis become you.. 
sorry for my english, i hope you understood me.. if you want to do it) |
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Alias
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 22:56
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On 2007-02-18 22:40, V_V wrote:
hm.. this post for everyone who has felt restrained - if you like to think so - go on, i can't stop you and don't want to do it.. but your thinks will so far from true, how much you is far from Moscow.. i'm in aeroboard community more than 3 years and i I can tell with confidence, that the theme of rasicm is not so popular, how much a theme of jokes about everything, drugs and music.. that topic is exception, instead of rule, but some people here like to make elephant from the fly..))
But it is necessary to recognize, that in our society all is absolutely uneasy now, including concerning nazism.. But will agree, that it not an occasion to consider all russian psytrance community as nazis.. Otherwise nazis become you..
sorry for my english, i hope you understood me.. if you want to do it)
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im not far from moscow ...actualy im living in moscow...
i started the topic becouse i love russian psy ppl...and we have to do something about those ppl who spreading hate in the scene
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V_V
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 23:26
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On 2007-02-18 22:56, Alias wrote:
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On 2007-02-18 22:40, V_V wrote:
hm.. this post for everyone who has felt restrained - if you like to think so - go on, i can't stop you and don't want to do it.. but your thinks will so far from true, how much you is far from Moscow.. i'm in aeroboard community more than 3 years and i I can tell with confidence, that the theme of rasicm is not so popular, how much a theme of jokes about everything, drugs and music.. that topic is exception, instead of rule, but some people here like to make elephant from the fly..))
But it is necessary to recognize, that in our society all is absolutely uneasy now, including concerning nazism.. But will agree, that it not an occasion to consider all russian psytrance community as nazis.. Otherwise nazis become you..
sorry for my english, i hope you understood me.. if you want to do it)
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im not far from moscow ...actualy im living in moscow...
i started the topic becouse i love russian psy ppl...and we have to do something about those ppl who spreading hate in the scene
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look, i'll try to explain some things.. people, who write it, doesn't like not all representatives of other nations, but they particularly criminal elements coming from Caucasus - It is a lot of them in our country now.. I personally know many cases when many russians have been plundered, beaten and even are killed by natives from caucasus.. And it is quite natural, that in minds of people there is a hostility to these criminals.. But people are able to distinguish, their hatred is not blind and does not concern to all people of caucasus, they know, as among caucasusians there are good people.. And the percent of people which become orthodox nazis is absolutely insignificant also these people are so silly, that are hardly noteworthy.. it is really not a problem, there are problems much more essentially, for example spread of drug addiction on a trance parties.. |
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octo
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 23:57
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but all this nazi attributes can't accompany with psy heads. it's another flows and fuckin bullshit.
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nara
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 23:57
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ugly situation!!!!!!i nave not seen such an ugly trance forum with ugly people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!bom!!!
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V_V
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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 00:04
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And one amusing detail..)) If you have so seriously concerned to a topicstarter's (by the way he is not a member of a forum aeroboard) post at aeroboard.ru, why you have not so seriously concerned to one of the first comments? ))) i'll translate it for you and may be something will clear up..))
user's nickname is "hachi" - insult name for people from Caucasus.
and translate:
"We fucked Russian women, all of them are whores, we makes alcoholics from russian men, we sell them heroin. Soon there will come the end for all of you."
So why you didn't start a topic here with a headline like this - "Oh my God, the criminals from Caucasus are destroying russian psyscene" ? =)))))))) |
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Enigmatic Euphoria
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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 00:48
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I would`t say better than V_V, he`s absolutely wright. You can`t judge about russian trance scene just after reading one topic |
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dr. luv
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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 07:59
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Zdravstvuite.
I'm not surprised that there would be a nazi sighting on a Russian trance board. By itself, it might not be too significant, but...anyone who went to the Greenspirit party over new year in Thailand might have seen the tall, muscular, shirtless nazi showing off his nazi insignia tattoos while striding around the party glaring menacingly at people, clearly itching to start something. And if you go to Morjim beach in Goa you can spot the occasional Russian nazis. They don't hide their insignia because Morjim beach is home-away-from-home for them these days.
There may yet come a time when we have to get over our collective denial or apathy and connect the dots...
Russian psytrancers with mild nationalist tendencies who have been offended by this topic can relax, I don't think anyone here really intends to say that all Russians are nazis, or that the entire Russian psy trance is crawling with nazis, no. But we should take seriously the presence of any neo-nazism in the trance scene, as it's just an indication of the recent rise of nazism in Russia, and in other eastern European countries, and in Europe in general (where a coalition of far-right wing parties now has official status in the European Parliament due to the addition of fascist members from new member countries from eastern Europe)...
...because in the late twenties and early thirties in Germany, people gave the same excuses to dismiss and do nothing about the sinister rise of the Nazi party under Hitler: "...it's nothing serious, just a few nutcases, they'll go away, just ignore them, we're all racist, can't we all just get along, bla bla bla..." Precisely because of this kind of apathy, and these kinds of dismissive, empty-headed, in-denial platitudes and excuses for inaction (plus the collusion of the German people), the Nazi butchers attained absolute power, resulting in the calculated, systematic mass murder of millions of Jews and homosexuals, Roma, Slavs (what irony!), anyone of a darker skin, and others who didn't fit their ideal of a pure Aryan.
"There's racism everywhere." So, what - we shouldn't be concerned about the presence of nazis in the psy trance scene? It's an excuse to do nothing. Evils like nazism start small, and grow because of apathy, and because collaborators and cynics try to take the matter into an off-topic or otherwise make excuses to trivialize it.
Yes, I'll keep dancing, but I'm a sentient being, my brain is plugged in and working (just), and I care about what's happening in the world beyond my own, immediate, psy-trance self-interest (yes, I realise that's not very fashionable these days). So, if I see a nazi strutting his/her stuff around me, someone whose beliefs and actions would seek to harm me or anyone else, you can bet I'm not just going to keep dancing...
"Never again."
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
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ProgMoon23
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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 09:44
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