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PoM
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Posted : Nov 29, 2012 01:00:39
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hey guys, how do you find these kicks? do you find it suck big time or it s ok?
maybe for darker progressive or morning full on with slower tempo it could be usable ?
btw i mixed advice and opinion..what i need is you opinion, don t hesitate.. but advice welcome 
there is a few pitchs if you wanna try with a bassline..these are long but don t really mess with the bassline if you lower the volume of the first note a little.. no need to shorten them much to keep some bottom end, i made them at 142 to get a idea
it s not really usual psy kick so offource it wont be suited for many style, but would apreciate to hear what you think , if you find it sound horrible no problem, i m curious to hear .
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5107801/KICK%20TEST.zip |
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Posted : Nov 29, 2012 01:12
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kick 06 is a other one, processed slighty different it s at lower volume, the other one are same kick but tuned differently to cover A G F E if i remember.. not sure..anyway what ever sound ok with a bass
it s saturated on purpose but maybe too much.. now i think i would like it clean..
it s 100 % analog but imo not there yet..i think i need to do a sine sweep for the attack for more punch .
remind me 808 kicks like this |
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Posted : Nov 29, 2012 01:36
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need to adjust i think..but that tickness call for a moog bass  .
it s on the way.. used the pitch envelop in batterie to pitch the attack..used the amplitude envelop to shorten the kick.. was sounding not bad to me, a bit kick a la dickster..in term of weight but it need improvment.. need to redo it insteed of using pitch envelop modulation on a sample , and maybe using sine sweep for the attack? |
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Kolishin Methud
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Posted : Nov 29, 2012 06:28
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actually i really like this kicks cuz they are deep and not as punchy, which makes them really good for dub, downtemp, and glitch stuff good job!
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Posted : Nov 29, 2012 10:49
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yeah it might be decent for these style. i tried it with some dark prog and smooth full on and i find it worked nice but it need a really phat bass with zero mud but it s sure not punchy kicks , it could be more suited for phat laidback tracks
tried it with usual psy sine sweep after this ,it was more punchy cause of the sweep from the highs and mids punch that come with it.
i kinda like that softnesss and zero mud even with no processing... just the attack disturb me a bit on my cans on these kicks ,what do you think on it? that click is not arsh or metallic ?
in the sample i posted ,there is maybe 5/6 db of compression and i equed just a little and some saturation |
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Posted : Nov 29, 2012 12:11
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btw guys here a simple technic that can help if you want the kick bass in same tune (not a must at all what ever soundgood..), work better if the kick have stable pitch in the tail .. best is to tune tune by ears offcourse but when you cant ear cause of monitoring it might come handy.
not in tune:
in tune perfect:
you can see there is no cancellation on the waveform resulting in more built up .
the kick tail fade slowly it is more than 1/8 long as you can see .. but in real use i would make it probably way shorter depending the amount of lowend needed to try to avoid highpass filtering the low end till mastering stage if possible |
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Ampersand
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 02:09
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I like them. I probably wouldn't be using them for the more typical psy sound but they'd be good for progressive or downtempo stuff probably. These were made in Massive? |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 18:11
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the bottom end sounds quite good, nice and smooth. but i'm not quite comfortable with the attack. it's not as punchy as we're used to, but thats perfectly ok. still it sounds a bit off, but i can't exactly pinpoint why. is the kick layered? |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 19:45
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no with massive i make better kick than with my analog stuff well it depends i have the vermona right now at home and this thing seriously kick ass .. dunno if s it good at psy kick though.
this one was made with jomox mbase.. but it need to much work to get great kick with it , i wanted to try it just right out of the box wihtout any layering or extra pitch envelop to see if i could get something usable and what ppl think of it..actually it drived my bassline fine but i definlety don t like that pulse attack for psy.. it can do noise attack too, it s acutally great attack for prog but it s sound too cheesy comercial for me..  this box can have a serious phat sound and clean low end but it need some hard work to get something good. layered with a sine sweep attack insteed of that pulse it s probably great for psy kick..just using the mbase from mids low to low end
btw massive usually sound very digital, but it can be stunning at analog drums.. it s cause of the smooth transient i think, and it have that mid presence/ color and sometimes cleaness that i haven t heard in many digital equipment.
check this sample it s massive i made it when working on a template innit preset for some kick some month ago,but it s not psy kick .. when lisetning to it back few days ago i said wtf?? this thing sound more analog than analog it s zero processing just 1 instance of massive no sample, the hats is made with massive second osccilator..imo it s not tweaked good enough have to work on it more but the sound caractere is good for me when you think it s not processed.. i think when i retweak the massive template,run it in hardware eq and compsand maybe add slight reverb for polishing even more if it work it will really have big commercial sound
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5107801/MASSIVE%20TEST.aif |
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 23:47
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was talking about the vermona, made a little loop tweaking a little the konbs ,discovering what the knob does.. to me it s a real instrument fi would really consider it if i was in techno and making some live.
it sound modern but really nice, warm and analog... but i was not in mood for this, tweaking a drum machine it made be come back to 95 and i wanted dirtyness...17 db of compression fastest release, the oldschool way but failed to capture the lofi sound of some tunes of that time.. would need a mackie drived hard would probably work better or drive more the culture vulture..,(love the oldschool techno sound ! , now i find lot of techno is too clean and hifi,less undeground no more rebellion in the sound, dirty sound that make you go wild and feel like a warrior on the dancefloor but at same time very psyche and tribal)
maybe the loop sound like crap, maybe the loop is shit dunno..i was in trance tripping fucking loud and recorded one of the pattern i ended .. some knobs kind of suprised me a little.. its first time i use this machine so dont expect a ncie performance..but it s sure possible to use it live by tweaking the drums synths , with a desk it would be really good as it ihave individual outs..
be sure to listen very loud after the first kick pump at the begining to feel to groove (if there is one lol)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5107801/Backin95.mp3
this box is really good it seems when not abused like i did , btw i havent used the individual out so no mixing and no fx except a bit of the own reverb on some sounds .. i used 5 drum synth out of the 8 one, it would need some fx.. and mixing to sound better but it s just a test.. |
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 00:18
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the first sound that get louder in volume sound kinda lick shit, a bit cause of the way i added it into the loop and lack of fx...
damn with a box like this, a nice desk and some hardware fx, my futur retro xs ,a 303, i make you 4 tune by day that rox the dancefloor lol
about the vermona ,i hate clap..but this thing have the best clap ever.. the clap synth is really great ,no cheese ..or not much cheese i should say in the calp possible to get..very usable . |
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 00:36
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Did you put the smexoscope on a kick & bass group channel? |
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Posted : Dec 1, 2012 00:41
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yeah the kick is the one that look darker at the begining .but this technic is maybe kinda random cause timing are involved too...check by ears is necessary. i noticed at few different pitch no cancellation happnened..so it s not totally accurate.. but it can help. when tweaking by ears when it s was right in tune there was no cancellation.. u see kick tail and bassline make like one waveform . you can use voxengo span or analizer too in high definition.. check on the kick channel highest peak in the low, it give you the pitch..but some kicks are bit more complex.. and in tune dont mean it s the best to me.. what ever sound good but i start to use a lot more analyzer and stuff like this now that i have no idea whats going on in the low in my room.. just have my cans as reference.. how sound my drum loops above? it s too bass heavy? i didn t use any highpass i didnt even hear the low end in my room but the culture vulture transformers cut the sub usually fine when it s bass heavy, i rarely need highpass filter with this machine, it s at - 1/-2 at 40 hz and then it fall fast
btw i worked on sound a big part of the day my ears need a rest..can t really judge but i m dreaming or my loops sound fucking dope according its just the stereo out of the box, there is no mix on individual element no eq.. and i raped the thing with compression, it even clip my ad at some point, i barely tweakind the vulture..and i used 2 eq band with less than 2db each lol.. tomorow i think i will have a surprise |
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Posted : Dec 2, 2012 03:57
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Posted : Dec 4, 2012 20:11
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| On 2012-12-01 00:36, Xetni wrote:
Did you put the smexoscope on a kick & bass group channel? |
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Nooo, put it on your master channel!
And use it only to correct the frequencies overlapping. Do not guide your music through your eyes, but through the ear.
Use a Voxengo Span on your master channel too to correct frequencies ovrelapping. |
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