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need subs in my kicks, how do i do it?

Anyer
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Posted : Apr 26, 2014 03:02:33
chan chan chan, i like it but there are NOT ENOUGH BALLS ON THE KICKS... what should i do? :0


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Grevinsky
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Posted : Apr 26, 2014 05:31
Find/synthesize better kicks.
Or in other case eq it so it suits better           .
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smoker
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Posted : Apr 26, 2014 05:38
you can use ISM BazzISM vst to create any kick you like here link to website
http://www.ismism.de/BazzISM.htm

to add more sub to kick you can use this great vsti
Renaissance Bass
http://www.waves.com/plugins/renaissance-bass

or other way is just layering the kick with another kick and on EQ just leave the low end
(i mean remove high end an dmid )

Btw what do you put on your baseline ?
it's sounds like you put tape saturation on the bass and basically Destroy the bass           -------------------------------------------------
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Anyer
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Posted : Apr 26, 2014 06:17
using bassizm def will do the duo kick
i added saussage fattenner (error i know im super newbie!) x) glad someone told me bass sounds ugly!
thx for your replies guys!           DJ of Sourcecode
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Cosmo Circle
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Posted : Apr 26, 2014 13:04
make sure your listening at no more than 40 db in your room (considering your not having a studio with trustfull accoustics )

why? 40 db, its a fairly low volume, the idea of earing the kick and bass at such levels its to prevent that the room is fooling you... to reach a good low end image, you need to avoid at all cost reflections, so you need firstly to ear the sound in the most realistic way possible...

there are today many apps for iOS and android that can read decibel levels in your enviroment

only after you have a real perception about the sound, you will be able to be more precise...

otherwise all your atempts to make the kick more juicy and punchy will end up in unbalanced efforts, that almost allways happen to people who arent listening the monitors properly...

make sure also that your monitors are at least 50 cm away of any walls... and if they are nearfield, use them at no more than 1 and half meter from your position

your music dont sound bad at all, it sound actually more solid than the most stuff i eard here in forum, but its completly "rough" because your obviously not taking a acurate listen on the details...

mixing and creating kicks its all about taste, but as soon as your earing correctly you will be able to create music as you wish, you can then make comparison to professional artists output and make atempts of creating same pattern of quality


jizy
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Posted : Apr 26, 2014 14:37
understand what subs are.

pick aw note ranging in 36-55. ....boost the fundamental if weak,cut if to much.. take out 400-800 wide q to reveal lo thud..

headphone check reference to other kicks
check freq anilizer
Bipolar
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Posted : Apr 27, 2014 04:28
Boost with EQ
Xsze


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Posted : Apr 27, 2014 04:41
Just to add this, maybe it can help, everything is already said

http://liutaiomottola.com/formulae/freqtab.htm
knocz
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Posted : Apr 27, 2014 14:22
I agree with that's already said.

Quote:

On 2014-04-26 06:17, Anyer wrote:
using bassizm def will do the duo kick
i added saussage fattenner (error i know im super newbie!) x) glad someone told me bass sounds ugly!
thx for your replies guys!


Just to add a bit of info, a fattener typically is a stereo effect, using whatever ways it can to delay one side of the stereo channels (or maybe only some frequencies) - so for a kick that you want in mono (at least the lower frequencies) a fattener might not be the best effect.

If you want your kick to be fatter, well, do as Jizi said Get it done with EQ, compressor (or transient shaper?). be careful to remove any muddyness and not inject it in, try not too boost only cut (but you can cut everything but 1 frequency then raise the overall volume to get the same effect as boosting).

Also, in the tune you showed I would lower the volume in every other channel, effectively increasing the volume of the kick and bass. Also I would try to glue the kick an bass together better, trying to get the kick body to be more prominent with a compressor responding to the kick "tick".

But keep making more!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 27, 2014 15:12
Listen to the kick on its own. Do it as the first thing after you've taken a short break from the studio - don't listen to the whole track first. How does it sound? Sounds pretty good, doesn't it.

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Anyer
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Posted : Apr 29, 2014 07:56
woooow so much mega cool FEEDBACK!!! THX GUYS sooo, i've worked on the subject and i would like to ask... do they "look nicer / sound better" now???



nope my bedroom is not prepared and im not using even monitors, just logitech speakers and audiotechnica headphones Cosmo Circle thx a lot man def taking note of all the points, i maybe am a bit TOO close to the speakers too x) Colin, totally true im recently moving to production realm so my ears really go kindda "viced" and a break is the only solution!!! :000 thank you all for your awesome feedback!!!
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Fungophago


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Posted : Apr 29, 2014 23:28
quick and dirty ableton solution:
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3607/bu2uvznc_png.htm

i do this very often because the kicks i get from bazzism have that annoying mid range...
it also softens the kick if you ask me.
but afterwards you really need to low cut at min 30hz...
cheers

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jizy
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Posted : Apr 30, 2014 01:32
"hav an annoying mid range"

eq? - kinda what your doing.

no issues with it, think bazz is fine, has to b eq'd like they all do.
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