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Bloodclot
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Posted : Aug 1, 2007 12:08
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I'm into production on the darker side which requires alot of sounds to be added at one time. I was wondering besides adding stereo or making adjusments to filters..are there any other ways to seperate sounds from becoming to muddy and over-lapping eachother?
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e-motion
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Posted : Aug 1, 2007 12:32
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the best way is two separate them in the arrangement side (don't make two sounds play at the same time, or when it happens, the two sounds must be not similar).
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Posted : Aug 1, 2007 20:29
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 1, 2007 22:59
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Set up several group channels and place a highpass on each. I have the following channels set up:
32Hz
100Hz
350Hz
900Hz
5kHz
12Khz
As you add new sounds set their output to one of the group channels for a fast highpass EQing. Typically I try to set sounds into the highest channel that doesn't choke the sound too much. Not only will this help seperate your sounds, but it ensures that *nothing* steps on the bass (which should be the only sound going in to the 32Hz channel, with the kick).
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MadScientist
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 01:03
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what elements do you bypass that high fuzzi? the last 3 (900, 5 & 12)
just hihats/percussion or also other kind of elements?
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 01:05
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On 2007-08-02 01:03, MadScientist wrote:
what elements do you bypass that high fuzzi? the last 3 (900, 5 & 12)
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Mostly hats/percussion and FX. Definitely cymbols. Leads usually sit in the 300 to 900 range. One trick I like to do is as a lead plays for a bit and a new lead comes in, I'll move the old lead up to a higher frequency band so that it is still there but taking up less lowend. Helps for that 'something has changed but not sure what' feeling. |
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 12:57
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On 2007-08-01 22:59, fuzzikitten wrote:
Set up several group channels and place a highpass on each. I have the following channels set up:
32Hz
100Hz
350Hz
900Hz
5kHz
12Khz
As you add new sounds set their output to one of the group channels for a fast highpass EQing. Typically I try to set sounds into the highest channel that doesn't choke the sound too much. Not only will this help seperate your sounds, but it ensures that *nothing* steps on the bass (which should be the only sound going in to the 32Hz channel, with the kick).
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What exactly do you mean by 'for a fast highpass EQing'? Meaning, adding those high pass hz in different channels makes it faster to get my work done or is that a term for something else? I generally use the free filter on fruity loops itself.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 13:32
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On 2007-08-02 01:05, fuzzikitten wrote:
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On 2007-08-02 01:03, MadScientist wrote:
what elements do you bypass that high fuzzi? the last 3 (900, 5 & 12)
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Mostly hats/percussion and FX. Definitely cymbols. Leads usually sit in the 300 to 900 range. One trick I like to do is as a lead plays for a bit and a new lead comes in, I'll move the old lead up to a higher frequency band so that it is still there but taking up less lowend. Helps for that 'something has changed but not sure what' feeling.
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sounds interesting, I think I got to try that soon!
right now I'm hipassing really low (leads mainly around 100-260hz, percussion 460-820hz) but I often use a low-shelf after that sitting at 550-920hz, so the sounds dont loose that much lowend but also dont get too much in the bass area to make it muddy...or for big bassy sounds that should sit a bit on top of the track I just use a notch at 330-650hz and hipass really low (110-130hz).
what you re doing with putting the leads in another band when a new lead comes, I do with a seperate hipass filter (as last plug in the chain) and automation 
works quite well for me so far, but I'll defenately try out your way soon 
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 14:39
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On 2007-08-02 12:57, Bloodclot wrote:
Meaning, adding those high pass hz in different channels makes it faster to get my work done
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Bingo. It just increases the speed of working plus ensures that nothing slips through and starts to encroach on the bass. |
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parapsyched
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 19:25
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ok 2 quick q`s
1. do you use eq`s or filters to do the high passing ?
2. isnt eq`ing each sound on its own enough ?
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 2, 2007 19:29
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On 2007-08-02 19:25, parapsyched wrote:
ok 2 quick q`s
1. do you use eq`s or filters to do the high passing ?
2. isnt eq`ing each sound on its own enough ?
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1 - I use EQs, either Waves Q EQs or the Cubase EQ.
2 - Sure EQing each sound is enough. But by routing each sound into one of these channels I ensure that nothing gets near the bass. I'll also do EQ'ing on a track where it's needed, scooping out some extra mids or notching around 5k but that's mostly for FX.
Having the group channels with highpasses has greatly cleared up my tracks, keeping a lot of mud off the bass. |
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shachar
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Posted : Aug 5, 2007 16:48
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On 2007-08-01 22:59, fuzzikitten wrote:
Set up several group channels and place a highpass on each. I have the following channels set up:
32Hz
100Hz
350Hz
900Hz
5kHz
12Khz
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I dont think that Hi pass everything will clear up your mix...maybe if you like thin sound... high-pass is not an only thing you can do.. do smart Eq`s! HP @ 12KHZ will leave you with nothing! most of the audio tracks i dont HP above 1K!
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shachar
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Posted : Aug 5, 2007 16:50
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B.t.w. how do you HP?
each Filter and EQ give diferent results.
try this thing...open Voxengo Gliss EQ and add HP @ 150hrz. everything below should be cut out right?
Wrong!
open another HP...and another one... every time you feel diference!
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Zeyon
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Posted : Aug 5, 2007 18:31
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Shachar:
Depends on the steepness of the filter/EQ-slope.. 
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piXan
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Posted : Aug 5, 2007 21:04
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besides eq, nobody has mentioned panning???
to me it works great when trying to get several sounds on the same freq... |
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