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jeeboomba
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 08:30:18
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namaste fellow freaks,
i was working today and had this idea i want to implement. so,, i want to pan a sound hard left and right and want to apply different set of fx for right and different for left..
here is what i did in FL mixer... i made two instances(clone) of a trak and sent it to different inserts and panned them hard.. but if i add fx like flanger, reverb etc the panning dissapears and the sound is audible in both speakers... what am i missing here? i guessed flanger and reverb and other such things work this way.. is that true or is there a way to achieve this?
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SuperSK
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 11:03
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smoke another joint & try it again  |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 11:42
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the flange/reverb effects you're using are probably stereo flange/reverb instead of mono flange/reverb. Try applying the effects and then panning afterward instead of panning before. |
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icedice
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 11:46
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Hmm... sounds wierd.
Here is my normal workflow for doing this:
1) Bounce the lead that i want to apply fx to
2) Import bounced audio to two audio tracks
3) pan one left and one right (I never pan 100% but maybe 60-70%)
4) apply different insert fx on the two tracks
5) bounce the two tracks again (if you used complex fx chain and need the CPU)
Of cause if you use fx that has effect on the panning this can mess with the idea of this fx. I tend to use to make breaks with maybe a bitcrusher on the one channel and a gate on the other...
Hope this was usefull.
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Suloo
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 11:48
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send into send/returns with fx and panning applied..
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jekvan
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 13:02
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On 2011-10-21 08:30:18, jeeboomba wrote:
namaste fellow freaks,
i was working today and had this idea i want to implement. so,, i want to pan a sound hard left and right and want to apply different set of fx for right and different for left..
here is what i did in FL mixer... i made two instances(clone) of a trak and sent it to different inserts and panned them hard.. but if i add fx like flanger, reverb etc the panning dissapears and the sound is audible in both speakers... what am i missing here? i guessed flanger and reverb and other such things work this way.. is that true or is there a way to achieve this?
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Strange...Maybe you have stereo effects in the flanger itself you haven't noticed.What flanger you use?
Try to pan inside the mixer itself,not in fruity sequencer,see what comes out of this (mixer panner will work after the effects,sequencer panner will work before the effects).
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mudpeople
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 13:19
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When I want to do something like that, I prefer to work with mono audio, usually 1 stereo channel split into 2 mono.
I find its much tighter and cleaner sounding, and easier to hear where each channel is in teh stereo field.
Also, imagine 2 stereo channels. Both have a left and right channel. Pan one hard right, the other hard left. Theres still left and right channels in each one to deal with.
Im not sure if panning hard to one side will place both stereo channels in the same place in the stereo field, or perhaps overlap with the other channel hard panned opposite, or even make the hard-left chan's right positioned on the left of the hard-right chan's left side (it makes sense really  ).
I just know working with mono audio makes panning and positioning easier to hear which speeds up the workflow.
I use Reaper to split and position stereo stems from Renoise. Reaper makes it super easy to non-destructively convert stereo to mono (duplicate stereo channel, right click, item processing tab, select mono left for one and mono right for the other). I guess for MIDI, 2 sends with the output set to mono L/1 or R/2 (or whatever), or as in Ableton a utility device (Max for Live includes a few also in the Building Blocks folder), or some 3rd party plug would basically do the same thing.
Of course, its advisable to learn about stereo, mono, quadrophonic, x.1 and whatnot first. Once you know what does what, where it does it, and why, and how to go about utilizing the concepts the rest falls into place once you start working.
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jeeboomba
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 18:56
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kool.. thanks for the help folks, it was like shiranui say, i was using FL native plugs.. 
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